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    Re: Teacher Salaries By State

    Okay, just heard from an IL teacher friend. She says her salary listed is her contracted salary before any taxes, insurance, union dues, etc. are taken out. She doesn't take home that much money.


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    Re: Teacher Salaries By State

    Mellie, I think I love you!! Thank you for being interested enough to do some detective work. Can I thank you twice????
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    Mellie, I think I love you!! Thank you for being interested enough to do some detective work.
    No problem!


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    Re: Teacher Salaries By State

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Hellooooooooooo? Is anyone home? You disproved nothing. The top 200 staff aren't in grade schools. Is that so hard to fathom? High schools pay more. We have thousands and THOUSANDS of teachers in the state. Why is it a surprise that the top 200 would be high school teachers?
    What are you talking about? The top 200 are ADMINISTRATORS.

    I just took another look at the Board of Education's report. Note bottom of page here: http://www.isbe.state.il.us/research...lary_09-10.pdf -- Longevity pay is excluded.Teacher salaries I posted are for teachers with 30 years' service or close to it. BIG HUGE DIFFERENCE!!!
    I checked the longevity table. ONE teacher, who worked for 34 years with a doctorate has a salary of $169,000+, Everything else is in the range that I stated. If you look at the changes, the longevity increases are usually between $1000-$4000. That's not HUGE. I see nothing that discounts what I said. If you look at the fringe benefits table, I'd bet THAT'S where the FTF website gets it "additional" numbers.

    And I just took another look at the link you've discounted. The heading for the top 200 says: Teacher & Administrator Salary Database. You absolutely disproved NOTHING.
    That it does. Not on the front page, but on the data page. However, it also says this: "According to the ISBE, the annual salary data reported to them is the same as the "total creditable earnings" reported to the Teachers Retirement System. It includes, among other things, extra-duty pay (coaching, clubs, etc.), board-paid retirement contributions, vacation and sick day buyouts, bonuses, and other compensation that the Teachers Retirement System includes in total creditable earnings." When people discuss salaries, they discuss their gross pay. Vacation time, board-paid retirement contributions, and such are NOT included in that quote. Do you include what your vacation buyout would be worth when you identify your salary? I doubt it. It's not accurate, but it manipulates by assigning a value to things that are not normally quoted in one's salary. The figures you are quoting are bloated.
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    Re: Teacher Salaries By State

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    It DOES say that. Teacher & Administrator Salary Database

    Oh, here's one more post on the home page:

    Bull**** my granny's britches.
    And in post #94, I showed how they bloated the data.
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    Re: Teacher Salaries By State

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    You have a hard time backing down when you're wrong, don't you?
    No, I have a hard time backing off when I'm right. Which in this case, I am.
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    Re: Teacher Salaries By State

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Captain, since I'm new here, I'll compromise with you.

    I'm right. And you're wrong. See how easy that was??
    Better compromise. I'm right, you're wrong, now go find another website that presents dishonest information, so we can do this again.

    See how easy that was?
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    Re: Teacher Salaries By State

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    Okay, just heard from an IL teacher friend. She says her salary listed is her contracted salary before any taxes, insurance, union dues, etc. are taken out. She doesn't take home that much money.
    Does she realize that what is quoted includes vacation buyouts and what the board adds into her retirement benefits? This is not salary.
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    Re: Teacher Salaries By State

    See Mellie's post, Captain.

    Link for your last paragraph, please.


    Better compromise. I'm right, you're wrong, now go find another website that presents dishonest information, so we can do this again.

    See how easy that was?
    Sorry. Like mine better.
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    Re: Teacher Salaries By State

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    See Mellie's post, Captain.
    I did.

    Link for your last paragraph, please.
    It's right on the FTF website page that you linked to. Look on the right, and scroll down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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