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Thread: When did America start its downward spiral towards socialism/fascism?

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    Re: When did America start its downward spiral towards socialism/fascism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    When families started to fall apart, when it became socially acceptable to have babies out of wedlock, when drugs became so pervasive, when we lost control of our borders, when an accident became an opportunity to make money, and when we began to be polarized into a "left" and a "right", each with the goal of keeping the other out of power.

    That's when we started to fall apart.
    I hate to break it to you, but we've always had babies out of wedlock, pervasive drugs, lack of control of our borders, over-litigation, and polarization of politics.

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    Re: When did America start its downward spiral towards socialism/fascism?

    I would say never.

    It's not necessarily a downward spiral.

    I think it's more like a sine wave, really.

    Sometimes actions/policies that are more socialistic in nature, and sometimes actions/policies that are more fascistic in nature.

    But it's not really either.

    Sure, some policies can be viewed as similar to socialism's ideas.

    And some policies can be viewed as similar to fascism's ideas.

    But many actions brought about by both those thought systems are identical in procedure/result.

    And many actions taken as the result of thought systems only obliquely related to either are similar to both.

    I don’t go by the “socialism/fascism” label, but rather on an individual basis.

    I personally prefer laws/policies that reduce the size of government and reduce the level of government control over the actions of its constituents (very often the same thing).

    Personally, I would like to see policies and regulations directed more towards guiding rather than direct control.

    While both are a form of control, the former is, IMO, far better.
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    Re: When did America start its downward spiral towards socialism/fascism?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    I hate to break it to you, but we've always had babies out of wedlock, pervasive drugs, lack of control of our borders, over-litigation, and polarization of politics.
    I read what he stated and your reply. He clearly stated that it has become "socially acceptable." He stated nothing about it never existing. For example, I will state that it has become socially acceptable to have relations with someone of the same sex. Your reply to inform me that homosexuality has always existed really dodges the point doesn't it?

    Was your point to inform of it's historical existence, therefore implying that it has always been socially acceptable, which would negate what he stated?
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    Re: When did America start its downward spiral towards socialism/fascism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    The wealthy aren't the producers. The middle class are the producers. What do you think the idle rich produces?
    really? strange sort of libertarian you are. People who invest fuel productivity. They also don't cost us money. how many of the rich are idle? You need to stop snorting the Krugman Kocaine



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    Re: When did America start its downward spiral towards socialism/fascism?

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    It's only your opinion, not supported with facts.

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    Re: When did America start its downward spiral towards socialism/fascism?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    really? strange sort of libertarian you are. People who invest fuel productivity. They also don't cost us money. how many of the rich are idle? You need to stop snorting the Krugman Kocaine
    So, what the idle rich produce is money, which they invest. Sure. They invest it in AIG, then get a government bailout when things go sour, then pay themselves multimillion dollar "bonuses" and claim that they had to.

    A Libertarian wouldn't support the bailout of corporations "too big to fail," and certainly wouldn't support bonuses paid for by taxpayers.
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    Re: When did America start its downward spiral towards socialism/fascism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    So, what the idle rich produce is money, which they invest. Sure. They invest it in AIG, then get a government bailout when things go sour, then pay themselves multimillion dollar "bonuses" and claim that they had to.

    A Libertarian wouldn't support the bailout of corporations "too big to fail," and certainly wouldn't support bonuses paid for by taxpayers.
    I don't support bailouts. Its the unions mainly.

    and I don't fully support the libertarians because in some areas they are wrong. In most areas they are right though



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    Re: When did America start its downward spiral towards socialism/fascism?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I don't support bailouts. Its the unions mainly.

    and I don't fully support the libertarians because in some areas they are wrong. In most areas they are right though
    I don't support the bailouts, nor do I fully support the Libertarians (just mostly). They do have some rotten planks in their platform, IMO, such as open borders as an example.

    What does "It's the unions" mean? Is that just a reflexive response of some kind?

    I really don't believe that the unions support bailouts followed by multimillion dollar bonuses, either.
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    Re: When did America start its downward spiral towards socialism/fascism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I don't support the bailouts, nor do I fully support the Libertarians (just mostly). They do have some rotten planks in their platform, IMO, such as open borders as an example.

    What does "It's the unions" mean? Is that just a reflexive response of some kind?

    I really don't believe that the unions support bailouts followed by multimillion dollar bonuses, either.


    they sure supported the GM and Chrysler bailouts



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    Re: When did America start its downward spiral towards socialism/fascism?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    they sure supported the GM and Chrysler bailouts
    Oh. Yes, they did. The unions, like most entities, can be expected to support their members' best interests.
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