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Thread: When did America start its downward spiral towards socialism/fascism?

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    Re: When did America start its downward spiral towards socialism/fascism?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Uncola View Post
    The basic premise of this thread and poll is false. The USA isn't anything close to being socialist. A lean toward "fascism" in the last decade or so, but a more apt description would be corporatism.
    Our political system is a delicate balance of capitalism and socialism. IMO, we need a good shot of socialism right now; and this is what the conservatives fear..
    The wealthy have had it good for quite a time , it will not hurt them to have it less good. It will be better for our nation.

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    Re: When did America start its downward spiral towards socialism/fascism?

    I don't know. I just wish we could go back to the good ole' 19th century.
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    Re: When did America start its downward spiral towards socialism/fascism?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    DUDE! are you like 200 years old?
    In the poll smarty.

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    Re: When did America start its downward spiral towards socialism/fascism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
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    None, Never, Nada.

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    Re: When did America start its downward spiral towards socialism/fascism?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Our political system is a delicate balance of capitalism and socialism. IMO, we need a good shot of socialism right now; and this is what the conservatives fear..
    The wealthy have had it good for quite a time , it will not hurt them to have it less good. It will be better for our nation.
    the demand that the comfortable be afflicted is inane and such actions have never comforted the afflicted. It will not make our nation better though it might make the losers, parasites, failures and other ne'er do wells feel better.

    The rich should wreak vengeance on those who suggest such nonsense.



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    Re: When did America start its downward spiral towards socialism/fascism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    To call America socialist is really quite funny.. fascist on the other hand it looks more like. It started much earlier but Bush part duh, amplified the fascism. Just saying.
    Gabriel, you do know that "Fascism" is a form of National Socialism right? It's just that you seemed to indicate that Fascism and Socialism were wholly different.
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    Re: When did America start its downward spiral towards socialism/fascism?

    FDR definitely laid the foundation for it.

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    Re: When did America start its downward spiral towards socialism/fascism?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the demand that the comfortable be afflicted is inane and such actions have never comforted the afflicted. It will not make our nation better though it might make the losers, parasites, failures and other ne'er do wells feel better.

    The rich should wreak vengeance on those who suggest such nonsense.
    To be blunt - this is the sort of attitude that brings on revolution and war.

    As you may or may not know, Mr WealthyTurtle, many people are becoming frustrated and angry about this little saying - the rich become richer; the poor - poorer.....This seems to be true..
    What is the next step?

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    Re: When did America start its downward spiral towards socialism/fascism?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the demand that the comfortable be afflicted is inane and such actions have never comforted the afflicted. It will not make our nation better though it might make the losers, parasites, failures and other ne'er do wells feel better.

    The rich should wreak vengeance on those who suggest such nonsense.
    Let them eat cake, eh? Yeah, that policy always leads to a healthy society.

    You know, when you're at the mercy of tyrants, it doesn't really matter if the tyrants are there above you politically or economically.

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    Re: When did America start its downward spiral towards socialism/fascism?

    Just so you actually know what you're talking about when discussing Facism and socialism:


    1.

    Main Entry: fas·cism
    Pronunciation: \ˈfa-ˌshi-zəm also ˈfa-ˌsi-\
    Function: noun
    Etymology: Italian fascismo, from fascio bundle, fasces, group, from Latin fascis bundle & fasces fasces
    Date: 1921

    1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
    2 : a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control <early instances of army fascism and brutality — J. W. Aldridge>




    Main Entry: so·cial·ism
    Pronunciation: \ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm\
    Function: noun
    Date: 1837

    1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
    2 a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
    3 : a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

    From the Merriam Webster online dictionary.


    Dictionaries are a great way to settle disputes about the meanings of words. Of course, they are no doubt left leaning and agenda driven, particularly if the definition doesn't fit your idea of what it should be.

    And anyway, arguing about the meanings of words is no fun when you read their actual definitions.
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