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When did America start its downward spiral towards socialism/fascism?

When did America start its downward spiral towards socialism/fascism

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Gabriel said:
To call America socialist is really quite funny.. fascist on the other hand it looks more like. It started much earlier but Bush part duh, amplified the fascism. Just saying.
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Lived under brutal dictators before have ya? Get real. Bush was nothing. You know when America is niave and self-centered when they strive to describe Disneyland as a fascist state.
 
TurtleDude said:
never confuse quantity with quality. BUt you are right-the parasites and the sloths do outbreed hard workers and producers
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The wealthy aren't the producers. The middle class are the producers. What do you think the idle rich produces?
 
I don't claim to have any ideas about "when America started its downward spiral towards socialism/fascism," but the question itself is irresponsible. America has always been the home of the free and the brave, despite it being under laws, codes, and procedures. If you want absolute freedom, voice for anarchy.

I am so sick of the ignorance. Do people remember the Japanese in California being rounded up during WWII with Japan? Did people not hide their German ethnicity during our war with Europeans? Do they remember the congressional hearings to invesitage communist ideas from celebrities, politicians, and businessmen during the Cold War? Today, Muslims are scrutinized during a war against their most zealous and people behave as if America has turned a new corner. As if America doesn't have a history of making itself aware of the enemy's people. Welcome to what ensures your security.

Torture? Hundreds of thousands of Algerians publicly tortured by the self-righteous finger pointing French just 40 years ago and the world behaves as if we are the new Nazi Germany because of a few waterboarding cases? I guess Cold War spies and enemies were interrogated with wine and cheese. Oh, but if our few waterboarding casesmakesus "fascist" what does that make France and the rest of the clowns?

Socialism? What the **** do you people think Social Security is? Free clinics? Food stamps?


Pull your head out of your asses. The U.S. has been democratic/capitalist with a touch of socialism for a very long time. The problem people have is that they can't fathom a world outside Disneyland's borders so they assume they have it bad. Most Americans don't have a clue how good they have it.
 
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MSgt said:
Pull your head out of your asses. The U.S. has been democratic/capitalist with a touch of socialism for a very long time. The problem people have is that they can't fathom a world outside Disneyland's borders so they assume they have it bad. Most Americans don't have a clue how good they have it.
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So much truth. :yes:
 
Dittohead not! said:
When families started to fall apart, when it became socially acceptable to have babies out of wedlock, when drugs became so pervasive, when we lost control of our borders, when an accident became an opportunity to make money, and when we began to be polarized into a "left" and a "right", each with the goal of keeping the other out of power.

That's when we started to fall apart.
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I hate to break it to you, but we've always had babies out of wedlock, pervasive drugs, lack of control of our borders, over-litigation, and polarization of politics.
 
I would say never.

It's not necessarily a downward spiral.

I think it's more like a sine wave, really.

Sometimes actions/policies that are more socialistic in nature, and sometimes actions/policies that are more fascistic in nature.

But it's not really either.

Sure, some policies can be viewed as similar to socialism's ideas.

And some policies can be viewed as similar to fascism's ideas.

But many actions brought about by both those thought systems are identical in procedure/result.

And many actions taken as the result of thought systems only obliquely related to either are similar to both.

I don’t go by the “socialism/fascism” label, but rather on an individual basis.

I personally prefer laws/policies that reduce the size of government and reduce the level of government control over the actions of its constituents (very often the same thing).

Personally, I would like to see policies and regulations directed more towards guiding rather than direct control.

While both are a form of control, the former is, IMO, far better.
 
samsmart said:
I hate to break it to you, but we've always had babies out of wedlock, pervasive drugs, lack of control of our borders, over-litigation, and polarization of politics.
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I read what he stated and your reply. He clearly stated that it has become "socially acceptable." He stated nothing about it never existing. For example, I will state that it has become socially acceptable to have relations with someone of the same sex. Your reply to inform me that homosexuality has always existed really dodges the point doesn't it?

Was your point to inform of it's historical existence, therefore implying that it has always been socially acceptable, which would negate what he stated?
 
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Dittohead not! said:
The wealthy aren't the producers. The middle class are the producers. What do you think the idle rich produces?
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really? strange sort of libertarian you are. People who invest fuel productivity. They also don't cost us money. how many of the rich are idle? You need to stop snorting the Krugman Kocaine
 
ricksfolly said:
It's only your opinion, not supported with facts.

ricksfolly
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geez no sh t sherlock. My definition of a parasite and my definition of a sloth fits the facts
 
TurtleDude said:
really? strange sort of libertarian you are. People who invest fuel productivity. They also don't cost us money. how many of the rich are idle? You need to stop snorting the Krugman Kocaine
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So, what the idle rich produce is money, which they invest. Sure. They invest it in AIG, then get a government bailout when things go sour, then pay themselves multimillion dollar "bonuses" and claim that they had to.

A Libertarian wouldn't support the bailout of corporations "too big to fail," and certainly wouldn't support bonuses paid for by taxpayers.
 
Dittohead not! said:
So, what the idle rich produce is money, which they invest. Sure. They invest it in AIG, then get a government bailout when things go sour, then pay themselves multimillion dollar "bonuses" and claim that they had to.

A Libertarian wouldn't support the bailout of corporations "too big to fail," and certainly wouldn't support bonuses paid for by taxpayers.
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I don't support bailouts. Its the unions mainly.

and I don't fully support the libertarians because in some areas they are wrong. In most areas they are right though
 
TurtleDude said:
I don't support bailouts. Its the unions mainly.

and I don't fully support the libertarians because in some areas they are wrong. In most areas they are right though
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I don't support the bailouts, nor do I fully support the Libertarians (just mostly). They do have some rotten planks in their platform, IMO, such as open borders as an example.

What does "It's the unions" mean? Is that just a reflexive response of some kind?

I really don't believe that the unions support bailouts followed by multimillion dollar bonuses, either.
 
Dittohead not! said:
I don't support the bailouts, nor do I fully support the Libertarians (just mostly). They do have some rotten planks in their platform, IMO, such as open borders as an example.

What does "It's the unions" mean? Is that just a reflexive response of some kind?

I really don't believe that the unions support bailouts followed by multimillion dollar bonuses, either.
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they sure supported the GM and Chrysler bailouts
 
Dittohead not! said:
Does anyone in Washington look at the long term?
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I have heard it said that when LBJ signed the Civil rights act he commented that it would wrap up the N_______ vote for a century for the dems.

I suspect FDR figured creating a welfare state would create millions of dem voters in the future.
 
TurtleDude said:
I have heard it said that when LBJ signed the Civil rights act he commented that it would wrap up the N_______ vote for a century for the dems.

I suspect FDR figured creating a welfare state would create millions of dem voters in the future.
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LBJ may have been right, but FDR? Are there more Democrats now than there were during FDR's time?

Now, if the Republicans were really for limited governmt and personal responsibility, as they claim to be, then maybe people in favor of a welfare state would vote Democrat.
 
TurtleDude said:
I have heard it said that when LBJ signed the Civil rights act he commented that it would wrap up the N_______ vote for a century for the dems.

I suspect FDR figured creating a welfare state would create millions of dem voters in the future.
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Yeah, but he was well aware that he lost more voters than he gained by signing the Civil Rights Act.

LBJ: "I think we have just delivered the South to the Republican Party for a long time to come."
 
Helvidius said:
Yeah, but he was well aware that he lost more voters than he gained by signing the Civil Rights Act.

LBJ: "I think we have just delivered the South to the Republican Party for a long time to come."
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maybe but he has been right for 46 or so years on the other part.
 
When did America start its downward spiral towards socialism/fascism?
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Under Woodrow Wilson.
 
I wish I was a parasitic Sloth.

Some people never work and they have plenty. I think I'll, walk off my steady job today.
 
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