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Thread: When did America start its downward spiral towards socialism/fascism?

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    Re: When did America start its downward spiral towards socialism/fascism?

    I'm going to say Lincoln, because he truly believed in socialism. He created a non-cabinet position for the USDA in order to spend money on subsidies to farmers. He believed in internal improvements, corporate welfare, and wealth redistribution.

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    Re: When did America start its downward spiral towards socialism/fascism?

    I'm assuming socialism means the welfare state. Also, I am surprised Teddy Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson are not on this list. Does international fascism count?

    I believe that as long as people hold steadfast to agendas that are not for liberty or freedom there will always be fascism.

    I think Wilson deserves to be mentioned with the federal income tax, federal reserve, and the U.S. entering WWI (including his censorship surrounding the war) all taking place during his time as President. Though I will give him credit for women's suffrage.
    Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

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    Re: When did America start its downward spiral towards socialism/fascism?

    The U.S. is not on a downward spiral towards socialism or communism. Its overblown rhetoric used to ignore reality and promote emotional thinking. When Eugene Debbs won 6% of the vote in 1912, you could justifiably say the United States is moving towards socialism. When the red scare promoted the persecution of American citizens and violations of civil liberties, you could say the United States is moving towards fascism. Put in that perspective, nothing in recent times is even close. People need to learn to say "i don't like the healthcare bill' or "warantless wiretapping should be illegal" without turning to absurd comparisons to make their point.

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    Re: When did America start its downward spiral towards socialism/fascism?

    Ever since the media starting misusing those words. In reality though, neither are happening.

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    Re: When did America start its downward spiral towards socialism/fascism?

    No later than Teddy Roosevelt.

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    In 1901, President William McKinley was assassinated, and Roosevelt became president at the age of 42, taking office at the youngest age of any U.S. President in history.[4] Roosevelt attempted to move the Republican Party in the direction of Progressivism, including trust busting and increased regulation of businesses. Roosevelt coined the phrase "Square Deal" to describe his domestic agenda, emphasizing that the average citizen would get a fair shake under his policies. As an outdoorsman and naturalist, he promoted the conservation movement. On the world stage, Roosevelt's policies were characterized by his slogan, "Speak softly and carry a big stick".
    Also, Teddy's decision to run as turd party candidate with his Bull Moose Party ensured the election of the worst president in American history, the socialist...er "progressive" Wilson, and there's no doubt whatsoever that Woody coated the slide with teflon and smeared it with grease.

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    Re: When did America start its downward spiral towards socialism/fascism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I think it's counter productive to use such labels to describe our country.
    (Admittedly I've done it before, I'm making a honest attempt to end it.)
    It's an appeal to emotion.

    We should be focusing on what works and what doesn't.
    There are a lot of things that don't work.
    Agree, also hold that "excessive socialism" does not necessarily work., not any more than reactionary conservatism works.
    We need balance, and we need to listen to people with triple digits IQs.

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    Re: When did America start its downward spiral towards socialism/fascism?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Another no vote..
    Why do you think that socialism is a downward spiral?
    Hmm.....let's see....

    The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics murdered more than fifty million of it's own citizens, created environmental nightmares such as Chernobyl and the Aral Desert, not to mention the manufacture of thousands of pounds of hemorragic smallpox virus and the means to deliver them via ICBM over populated cities.

    The Germans invented National Socialism. That worked out well.

    The Chinese invented their own form of socialism under Mao. Mao murdered some 60 million chinese.

    Cambodia had some socialism for a while there. Pol Pot and the Kmer Rouge killed fifty percent of Cambodia's population in the name of socialism.

    Cuba's socialism is doing so well Cubans try to sail the Strait of Florida in rubber inner tubes and cardboard boxes to spread the news of how wonderful it is.

    Zaire's experiment in socialism includes the printing of novelty 100,000,000,000,000,000 (I got enough zero's yet? I've lost count) dollar bills. this week. Next week they'll add some more zeroes.

    North Korea is socialist. They've evolved a species of human that eats grass there.

    South Korea is not very socialist. They've evolved a species of human that sells cars to other countries, there.

    Socialism sucks the vitality out of every nation that's stupid enough to fall into that trap. The United States is no different, except that it has to violate it's Constitution to implement anything as stupid as a socialist plan.

    Have you ever wondered why so much of the world's population embraced communism at one time?
    No. Gullibility is a natural human trait.

    What's more interesting is why a nation that avoided socialism and successfully destroyed the Evil Empire would turn around and start buying the lies from the con-men who sold communism to those other countries.

    A whole LOT of lying to very young children had to happen there to make them believe they could steal their way into prosperity, when it's never worked before.

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    Re: When did America start its downward spiral towards socialism/fascism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    No later than Teddy Roosevelt.



    Also, Teddy's decision to run as turd party candidate with his Bull Moose Party ensured the election of the worst president in American history, the socialist...er "progressive" Wilson, and there's no doubt whatsoever that Woody coated the slide with teflon and smeared it with grease.
    According to Fox News or PBS ??

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    Re: When did America start its downward spiral towards socialism/fascism?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Agree, also hold that "excessive socialism" does not necessarily work., not any more than reactionary conservatism works.
    We need balance, and we need to listen to people with triple digits IQs.
    You would all get quite tired of listening to me.
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    Re: When did America start its downward spiral towards socialism/fascism?

    You can always tell who the sane and knowledgeable people are; they don't use those flashy buzz words shouted by pundits.

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