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Thread: Is it time Cathoic Priests were allowed to marry?

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    Re: Is it time Cathoic Priests were allowed to marry?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    That sounds like hogwash. Pedophilia is the sexual attraction to prepubescent children. Not some power trip. Just like normal men find a woman with breasts sexually attractive or a gay man finds other men sexually attractive, the pedophile finds prepubescent children sexually attractive.
    It can sound like whatever you want. The evidence supports exactly that. The pedophile-victim relation is almost exclusively one where one figure has power over the other. Priest/school boy, boy scout leaders/boy scouts, FLDS members/FLDS children, father/daughter, son etc. Do you have evidence to support the opposite?

    A pedophile is going to try to get a job that places him in close proximity to children and a pedophile in a position of power is more likely to get away with it than a pedophile not in a position of power.
    And again, that simply isn't supported by evidence.

    You realize that the reason kids get molested in these groups because a pedophile is sexually attracted to children.Also a lot of these groups have a close proximity to children,so it makes sense that pedophiles would seek jobs in the Catholic church and anywhere else near lots of children. Other than strapping someone to a chair and showing him pictures of women, and children in swimsuits to see if there is a reaction, the only thing these organizations can really do is backgrounds checks and report any suspected cases of child molestation to the authorities.
    That is hogwash. Nobody decides to study(yes, you do have to go to school to become a priest) expecting to get a job taking care of kids anymore than somebody goes to work for NASCAR expecting to get a job as a race car driver. The list of requirements that one needs to fulfill to become a priest is about the same length as you would any other vocation.

    Why would somebody who is simply attracted to children go through the trouble of becoming a priest simply so they may be lucky enough to work with them? We would have been hearing about never ending cases of pedophilia in the education world by now wouldn't we? But that isn't the case. The reality James is that the relationship between pedophile and victim is one of control. One figure has control over the other.

    This is nothing more than lets bash the catholic church. Most catholic priests are not pedophiles.and 50% of men arrested for pedophilia are married. so it dispels the notion that a lack of a normal life is going to somehow cause a unmarried priest to be sexually attracted to little boys.
    Well considering the fact that the Catholic Church actively works to protect its child molesters in the worst of cases and simply turns a blind to others it's not surprising. However let us look at your bland statistic for a minute and add some more later. 50% of all those arrested for pedophilia are married men. Who are the victims? Let's see:

    Pedophile and Child Molester Statistics - Yello Dyno

    • 3/4 of the violent victimizations of children took place in either the victim's home or the offenders home.
    -BJS Survey of State Prison Inmates, 1991.
    In 75% of cases they are people who the victims seem to know.

    • For the vast majority of child victimizers in State prison, the victim was someone they knew before the crime. 1/3 had committed their crime against their own child, about 1/2 had a relationship with the victim as a friend, acquaintance, or relative other than offspring, about 1 in 7 reported the victim to have been a stranger to them.
    -BJS Survey of State Prison Inmates, 1991.
    In 33% of cases the victim was their own child.

    • 3 in 10 child victimizers reported that they had committed their crimes against multiple victims: they were more likely than those who victimized adults to have had multiple victims.
    -BJS Survey of State Prison Inmates, 1991.
    More likely to keep reoffending than those who go after adults.

    Finally:

    Like rape, child molestation is one of the most underreported crimes: only 1-10% are ever disclosed.
    -FBI Law Enforcement Bulletin.
    So what do we have? Well we have that the victims are people they know, just like rape, that the victims are people they have control over, just like rape, that the person keeps victimizing most likely because of how underreported the crime is. The reality is that nothing seems to support your claims that pedophiles are attracted to children simply because they're children. They seem to be attracted to those they can readily victimize, in this case, kids. Place that same person who would have become a pedophile elsewhere and they may just as easily have become a rapist or a serial killer. Talk about bashing as much as you want, the evidence suggests pedophiles are conditioned. Not born.
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    Re: Is it time Cathoic Priests were allowed to marry?

    I think this is a choice left to the Catholic Church and its members so I cannot say.
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    Re: Is it time Cathoic Priests were allowed to marry?

    Honestly, unless we are Catholic does our opinion matter? I voted other because I don't care if they are allowed to marry or not. They chose to be a priest.
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    Re: Is it time Cathoic Priests were allowed to marry?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Honestly, unless we are Catholic does our opinion matter? I voted other because I don't care if they are allowed to marry or not. They chose to be a priest.
    That would rather depend on several things, like
    1) Have you been subjected to abuse by a Catholic Priest?
    2) Are you the parent of a child?
    3) If you are a parent would you care if you had a child and that child was abused by a Catholic Priest?

    So on balance I have to say yes, my Honest opinion as well as yours and everyone elses opinion does and indeed should count.

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    Re: Is it time Cathoic Priests were allowed to marry?

    Quote Originally Posted by jujuman13 View Post
    That would rather depend on several things, like
    1) Have you been subjected to abuse by a Catholic Priest?
    2) Are you the parent of a child?
    3) If you are a parent would you care if you had a child and that child was abused by a Catholic Priest?
    What are the chances of any of these things applying to you unless you are or were catholic
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    Re: Is it time Cathoic Priests were allowed to marry?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    It can sound like whatever you want. The evidence supports exactly that. The pedophile-victim relation is almost exclusively one where one figure has power over the other. Priest/school boy, boy scout leaders/boy scouts, FLDS members/FLDS children, father/daughter, son etc. Do you have evidence to support the opposite?
    The only thing the evidence supports is the fact that those are all jobs that have regular contact with children, not some power fetish as you try to claim it is.






    That is hogwash. Nobody decides to study(yes, you do have to go to school to become a priest) expecting to get a job taking care of kids anymore than somebody goes to work for NASCAR expecting to get a job as a race car driver. The list of requirements that one needs to fulfill to become a priest is about the same length as you would any other vocation.

    Why would somebody who is simply attracted to children go through the trouble of becoming a priest simply so they may be lucky enough to work with them? We would have been hearing about never ending cases of pedophilia in the education world by now wouldn't we? But that isn't the case. The reality James is that the relationship between pedophile and victim is one of control. One figure has control over the other.
    Again these pedophiles seek these kinds of jobs to be around children.
    What is a Pedophile and Related Sex Offender Information | PrivacyMatters.com
    They like to work around children. Pedophiles often take jobs where they can be near children especially positions where they may be directly responsible for children.




    Well considering the fact that the Catholic Church actively works to protect its child molesters in the worst of cases and simply turns a blind to others it's not surprising.
    The only reason the Catholic church protected these scum is to protect its own image. And the Catholic church should get all the crap, jokes, satires and other ridicules for trying to protect its own ass instead of reporting these monsters to the authorities. The vast majority of priests are not pedophiles.

    However let us look at your bland statistic for a minute and add some more later. 50% of all those arrested for pedophilia are married men. Who are the victims? Let's see:

    Pedophile and Child Molester Statistics - Yello Dyno



    In 75% of cases they are people who the victims seem to know.



    In 33% of cases the victim was their own child.



    So what do we have? Well we have that the victims are people they know, just like rape, that the victims are people they have control over, just like rape, that the person keeps victimizing most likely because of how underreported the crime is. The reality is that nothing seems to support your claims that pedophiles are attracted to children simply because they're children. They seem to be attracted to those they can readily victimize, in this case, kids. Place that same person who would have become a pedophile elsewhere and they may just as easily have become a rapist or a serial killer. Talk about bashing as much as you want, the evidence suggests pedophiles are conditioned. Not born.

    The fact they go after the victims they know does not support the notion that it is a power control fetish instead of a sexual attraction to little kids. The fact they go after children they know is so that child is less likely to tell a trust worthy adult or authorities what the pedophile did.
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    Re: Is it time Cathoic Priests were allowed to marry?

    Who cares?

    As with all organized religions, it is irrelevant to me. If some want to believe in magic and mystical superbeings with supernatural powers, that is certainly their choice. I stopped being duped by sleight of hand by the time I hit my teens.

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    Re: Is it time Cathoic Priests were allowed to marry?

    Quote Originally Posted by jujuman13 View Post
    That would rather depend on several things, like
    1) Have you been subjected to abuse by a Catholic Priest?
    2) Are you the parent of a child?
    3) If you are a parent would you care if you had a child and that child was abused by a Catholic Priest?

    So on balance I have to say yes, my Honest opinion as well as yours and everyone elses opinion does and indeed should count.
    Are all catholic priests child molesters?
    Are the vast majority of catholic priests child molesters?
    Are a simple majority of catholic priests child molesters?
    Are a quarter percent of catholic priests child molesters?
    Are even ten percent of the catholic priests child molesters?

    Allowing priest to marry is not not going to stop the pedophiles who are priests from molesting children.
    Five myths about the Catholic sexual abuse scandal
    3. Sexual abuse is more pervasive in the Catholic Church than in other institutions.

    Sexual abuse of minors is not the province of the Catholic Church alone. About 4 percent of priests committed an act of sexual abuse on a minor between 1950 and 2002, according to a study being conducted by John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York. That is roughly consistent with data on many similar professions.
    Last edited by jamesrage; 07-25-10 at 11:13 AM.
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