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    Re: How would you decribe my political "lean"?

    When you've been drinking, you lean at approximately 45 degrees.

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    Re: How would you decribe my political "lean"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    That's a great question, but it has a very complicated answer.

    On the surface, I could simply point towards the anti-federalist and federalist papers as the basis, but that would only tell a small portion of the story and it wouldn't be accurate as to how I derived the philosophy. It merely helped me see a way to approach the philosophy.

    This is because my philosophy has evolved from my own theories about a plethora of subjects.

    If anything, I'd say that the most basic principle of my worldview is the fact that humans are pack animals and that pack animals are adapted to smaller groups with shared beliefs and characteristics.

    Modern society is more like that of a hive animal, and I believe that inherent opposition to this structure is the basis for most of the discord in society today, since most of the basic survival needs of the society are met and are not constantly worried about (In the US and other western societies).

    In truth though, I'd spend days writing a response that adequately answered your question.
    That's a good description.
    I agree.

    Pack animals being a general (not super formal) hierarchy while hive being a caste.
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    Re: How would you decribe my political "lean"?

    You may find interest in this philosophy Tucky.

    Distributism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Re: How would you decribe my political "lean"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Pack animals being a general (not super formal) hierarchy while hive being a caste.
    That's one way to view it.

    There is more variance from a within group standpoint for a hive, but there is far greater variance between groups in the packs.

    But the larger variance within the singular group is due to the population size more than anything else. But it makes the group as a whole far less susceptible to change.

    While a small amount of variance within a pack coupled with a large degree of variance between packs makes for a more dynamic system that is far more susceptible to change.

    I look at the times when major socio-political advancements have occurred in history. Normally, it occurs in the build-up to a hive-like society. Once the hive-like society is complete, though, it will ultimately stagnate and fall.

    The "fall" is regression towards decentralization, and it is never consciously implemented. It occurs when the hive-like, centralized system can no longer sustain itself and it collapses.

    Then the process renews itself, with a period of totally decentralized dynamic change followed by a period of advancement again towards the centralized society. The greatest advancements occurs during this buildup, IMO.

    I would prefer to consciously alter the cycle. Removing the period of regression and replacing it with a consciously implemented system designed to spark that dynamic change without the chaotic underpinnings.

    To do this, one would require some degree of centralized government that works for the benefit of a collective of smaller sovereign governments. Sort of like what the US was originally implemented as.

    Generally, I would like to see something that fits somewhere between the Articles of Confederation and the Constitution. The AoC created a central government that was a little too weak, but the Constitution created one that was a little too strong (if using a Hamilton-style interpretation of the constitution, which is the prevailing interpretation these days. A Madison-style interpretation would have been closer to what I'm talking about, but the wording was left too vague to maintain that perspective over time).

    I also believe this would be the most utilitarian approach to governance, since I adhere to a belief that happiness is in part dictated by a person's sense of autonomy. The more willing a system is to allow for variability of thought, the greater the potential for autonomy there is.
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    Re: How would you decribe my political "lean"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    You may find interest in this philosophy Tucky.

    Distributism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Wow, good call. I just added G. K. Chesterton to my summer reading list.
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    Re: How would you decribe my political "lean"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    That's one way to view it.

    There is more variance from a within group standpoint for a hive, but there is far greater variance between groups in the packs.

    But the larger variance within the singular group is due to the population size more than anything else. But it makes the group as a whole far less susceptible to change.

    While a small amount of variance within a pack coupled with a large degree of variance between packs makes for a more dynamic system that is far more susceptible to change.

    I look at the times when major socio-political advancements have occurred in history. Normally, it occurs in the build-up to a hive-like society. Once the hive-like society is complete, though, it will ultimately stagnate and fall.

    The "fall" is regression towards decentralization, and it is never consciously implemented. It occurs when the hive-like, centralized system can no longer sustain itself and it collapses.

    Then the process renews itself, with a period of totally decentralized dynamic change followed by a period of advancement again towards the centralized society. The greatest advancements occurs during this buildup, IMO.

    I would prefer to consciously alter the cycle. Removing the period of regression and replacing it with a consciously implemented system designed to spark that dynamic change without the chaotic underpinnings.

    To do this, one would require some degree of centralized government that works for the benefit of a collective of smaller sovereign governments. Sort of like what the US was originally implemented as.

    Generally, I would like to see something that fits somewhere between the Articles of Confederation and the Constitution. The AoC created a central government that was a little too weak, but the Constitution created one that was a little too strong (if using a Hamilton-style interpretation of the constitution, which is the prevailing interpretation these days. A Madison-style interpretation would have been closer to what I'm talking about, but the wording was left too vague to maintain that perspective over time).

    I also believe this would be the most utilitarian approach to governance, since I adhere to a belief that happiness is in part dictated by a person's sense of autonomy. The more willing a system is to allow for variability of thought, the greater the potential for autonomy there is.
    Totally agree, your words describe it better than I could.
    I find it odd that people belief that we are some unified super community when that isn't even close to the truth.

    Most of our relations are on a intimate personal level, with locality being next.
    National community uniformity is counter productive to human progress.
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    Re: How would you decribe my political "lean"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Wow, good call. I just added G. K. Chesterton to my summer reading list.
    I know it has religion intertwined with the philosophy but it can be altered to adopt a non religious family hierarchy.

    Wessexman introduced me to this.
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    Re: How would you decribe my political "lean"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Wessexman introduced me to this.
    Ah, That makes sense. Wessexman was/is about as much of an extreme decentralist as I am. He and I took different paths to reach our similar conclusions, but I enjoyed discussing the issues with him because of our similiarities.
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    Re: How would you decribe my political "lean"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Ah, That makes sense. Wessexman was/is about as much of an extreme decentralist as I am. He and I took different paths to reach our similar conclusions, but I enjoyed discussing the issues with him because of our similiarities.
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    Re: How would you decribe my political "lean"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Totally agree, your words describe it better than I could.
    I find it odd that people belief that we are some unified super community when that isn't even close to the truth.

    Most of our relations are on a intimate personal level, with locality being next.
    National community uniformity is counter productive to human progress.
    Mmmmmnn! This IS interesting. It's not totally new to me but I'm not familiar with the wider writings on the subject. I'm going to read a lot more about distributism (Amazon will thank you!). First thoughts are sceptical in relation to the emphasis on the Christian-based concepts of nuclear families as the fundamental bases of society and economics (doesn't community play a role in and of itself, rather than as a corollary of the NF?). Reading may well throw light on this.

    The ideas seem to take elements of feudalism, anarchism and corporativism and create an overarching philosophy that promises a middle path (to steal a concept from Buddhism) but which is necessarily predicated on Judaeo-Christian ideas of the fundamental building blocks of society with which I don't entirely hold.

    This is good and challenging and interesting.
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