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Thread: Libertarians: which do you identify with more, the Left or Right?

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    Re: Libertarians: which do you identify with more, the Left or Right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    I find most side with the right because they are scared of government.
    Don't make the mistake of confusing "fear" with "mistrust". Fear is rooted in misunderstanding or ignorance. Mistrust is rooted in knowledge of implications.
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    Re: Libertarians: which do you identify with more, the Left or Right?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Don't make the mistake of confusing "fear" with "mistrust". Fear is rooted in misunderstanding or ignorance. Mistrust is rooted in knowledge of implications.
    Oh I understand but often it goes as far to be paranoid. For example when people suggest Obama is communist etc.

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    Re: Libertarians: which do you identify with more, the Left or Right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    Oh I understand but often it goes as far to be paranoid. For example when people suggest Obama is communist etc.



    There has been far better trolling.


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    Re: Libertarians: which do you identify with more, the Left or Right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Well they tend to use the term "scared of the state" as disparaging comments meant to insult the whole of the libertarian philosophy. I think it's better to state that we aren't so much scared of the government (we have guns), as much as we are reasonable suspicious of its intentions. I mean, for the most part many libertarians take a minarchist stance wherein we're looking to minimize government, not destroy it. Thus we can't be "scared" since we have desire to construct and use government towards the ends of protecting our individual rights and liberties. Though we understand that there must be limitations on the power of the government and it cannot be allowed to do everything for us. Because once government grows to large, it will start to work against the rights and liberties of the individual. The course of human history has well documented this fact. So instead of "scared", perhaps educated and reasonable suspicion.


    Oh i know he's trolling. I'm pretty sure when it comes to "fear" i wouldn't be the one cowering in it. But thats just par for the course when you are the awesomeness that is the good reverend.
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    Re: Libertarians: which do you identify with more, the Left or Right?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Don't make the mistake of confusing "fear" with "mistrust". Fear is rooted in misunderstanding or ignorance. Mistrust is rooted in knowledge of implications.
    Fear isn't always rooted in misunderstanding or ignorance. Some **** is scarier the more you know about it.

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    Re: Libertarians: which do you identify with more, the Left or Right?

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Fear isn't always rooted in misunderstanding or ignorance. Some **** is scarier the more you know about it.
    Definitely the truth.

    That's where "ignorance is bliss", comes from.
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    Re: Libertarians: which do you identify with more, the Left or Right?

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Fear isn't always rooted in misunderstanding or ignorance. Some **** is scarier the more you know about it.
    It is in my experience. Fearing something is being afraid of the unknown. Once you understand it, you can equip yourself to deal with it. Admittedly, some people will never take the leap.
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    Re: Libertarians: which do you identify with more, the Left or Right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    I find most side with the right because they are scared of government. I know that sounds like a cheap shot but.. it really is accurate. The spectre of the state is behind much of the libertarian psyche. Left of center libertarians have a time rationalising it's position with the exception of the collective agreement protecting individual rights the charter represents.
    And what does your obsession with Libertarians say about YOU?

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    Re: Libertarians: which do you identify with more, the Left or Right?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    It is in my experience. Fearing something is being afraid of the unknown. Once you understand it, you can equip yourself to deal with it. Admittedly, some people will never take the leap.
    No, sometimes fear is knowing full well how bad something is. I fear big, mean, rabid dogs. Not out of ignorance, out of the full knowledge of what they can do. I fear falling off of cliffs because I know it'll hurt like a mofo. And I don't wanna hurt like a mofo. That's fear born out of the knowledge that it's going to hurt like a mofo.

    In the realm of politics, however, knowing full well what a group of people are trying to accomplish and/or knowing that they are close to do so, can certainly instill fear born out of the knowledge that what they're doing is harmful. If I were ignorant of what they were doing, I wouldn't have any reason to fear it.

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    Re: Libertarians: which do you identify with more, the Left or Right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Definitely the truth.

    That's where "ignorance is bliss", comes from.
    Somehow, I would bet the blissfully ignorant are not Libertarian.
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