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Thread: Libertarians: which do you identify with more, the Left or Right?

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    Re: Libertarians: which do you identify with more, the Left or Right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Black_Zawisza View Post
    Sorry if this ticks some of you off, but I intentionally left out a "Moderate" option in the poll. I'd rather not have anybody sitting on the fence.

    If you're having trouble, think about this: when someone posts a thread with a title claiming the entire Left or Right is bigoted, delusional, etc, does your reaction change depending on which side is being targeted?
    I think you should have included moderate... not just saying that because I am moderate. Some people simply relate to both sides equally. Or it could depend on the issues / arguments at hand (as is the case for me).

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    Re: Libertarians: which do you identify with more, the Left or Right?

    I find most side with the right because they are scared of government. I know that sounds like a cheap shot but.. it really is accurate. The spectre of the state is behind much of the libertarian psyche. Left of center libertarians have a time rationalising it's position with the exception of the collective agreement protecting individual rights the charter represents.

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    Re: Libertarians: which do you identify with more, the Left or Right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    I find most side with the right because they are scared of government. I know that sounds like a cheap shot but.. it really is accurate. The spectre of the state is behind much of the libertarian psyche. Left of center has a time rationalising it's position with the exception of the collective agreement protecting individual rights the charter represents.



    If you love freedom, you'd be "scared of the state" too.




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    Re: Libertarians: which do you identify with more, the Left or Right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    If you love freedom, you'd be "scared of the state" too.




    “When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.” -TJ
    exhibit A, thanks Reverend.

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    Re: Libertarians: which do you identify with more, the Left or Right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    If you love freedom, you'd be "scared of the state" too.




    “When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.” -TJ
    Well they tend to use the term "scared of the state" as disparaging comments meant to insult the whole of the libertarian philosophy. I think it's better to state that we aren't so much scared of the government (we have guns), as much as we are reasonable suspicious of its intentions. I mean, for the most part many libertarians take a minarchist stance wherein we're looking to minimize government, not destroy it. Thus we can't be "scared" since we have desire to construct and use government towards the ends of protecting our individual rights and liberties. Though we understand that there must be limitations on the power of the government and it cannot be allowed to do everything for us. Because once government grows to large, it will start to work against the rights and liberties of the individual. The course of human history has well documented this fact. So instead of "scared", perhaps educated and reasonable suspicion.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Libertarians: which do you identify with more, the Left or Right?

    Well they tend to use the term "scared of the state" as disparaging comments meant to insult the whole of the libertarian philosophy. I think it's better to state that we aren't so much scared of the government (we have guns), as much as we are reasonable suspicious of its intentions. I mean, for the most part many libertarians take a minarchist stance wherein we're looking to minimize government, not destroy it. Thus we can't be "scared" since we have desire to construct and use government towards the ends of protecting our individual rights and liberties. Though we understand that there must be limitations on the power of the government and it cannot be allowed to do everything for us. Because once government grows to large, it will start to work against the rights and liberties of the individual. The course of human history has well documented this fact. So instead of "scared", perhaps educated and reasonable suspicion
    Exhibit B.. the militant libertarian. Type A personality reaction to government as a hostile entity. "Gather your armies" kinda libertarian.

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    Re: Libertarians: which do you identify with more, the Left or Right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    Exhibit B.. the militant libertarian. Type A personality reaction to government as a hostile entity. "Gather your armies" kinda libertarian.
    Hmm, interesting. I'd have to disagree with your "exhibits" as I hadn't said anything militant. In fact I had stated that we wish to construct and use government so that we can create a system which can help guarantee the protection and proliferation of our rights and liberties understanding the natural pitfalls that such a system could bring. Thus we act intelligently to properly constrict and use government as to benefit our rights and liberties while keeping the government in control so that it cannot grow to abuse our rights and liberties. There's nothing hostile or militant in that. But I suppose some people only want to disparage against libertarians with no proof or real argument, so it is what it is. Que sera sera.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Libertarians: which do you identify with more, the Left or Right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Hmm, interesting. I'd have to disagree with your "exhibits" as I hadn't said anything militant. In fact I had stated that we wish to construct and use government so that we can create a system which can help guarantee the protection and proliferation of our rights and liberties understanding the natural pitfalls that such a system could bring. Thus we act intelligently to properly constrict and use government as to benefit our rights and liberties while keeping the government in control so that it cannot grow to abuse our rights and liberties. There's nothing hostile or militant in that. But I suppose some people only want to disparage against libertarians with no proof or real argument, so it is what it is. Que sera sera.
    oh.. it was supposed to have a flare of humour in it. I can understand why you'd disagree of course. Don't want to take over the libertarian poll thingy.

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    Re: Libertarians: which do you identify with more, the Left or Right?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Heres what I find even MORE fascinating...YOUR (and lets be honest...others as well) fascination...no...obsession...with "libertarians." Hell you have Gabriel slobbering in anticipation and throwing down handfulls of popcorn in anticipation! Seriously...fellas...WTF???
    Yes, I am fascinated with libertarianism. I have no problem with admitting that.

    You know why? Look immediately to the left of this post. What is my political leaning?

    Fail, dude. Fail.

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    Re: Libertarians: which do you identify with more, the Left or Right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Hmm, interesting. I'd have to disagree with your "exhibits" as I hadn't said anything militant. In fact I had stated that we wish to construct and use government so that we can create a system which can help guarantee the protection and proliferation of our rights and liberties understanding the natural pitfalls that such a system could bring. Thus we act intelligently to properly constrict and use government as to benefit our rights and liberties while keeping the government in control so that it cannot grow to abuse our rights and liberties. There's nothing hostile or militant in that. But I suppose some people only want to disparage against libertarians with no proof or real argument, so it is what it is. Que sera sera.
    I know you're trying to inform but feeding this troll won't yield any education or intellectual benefits.
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