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Thread: Why the unemployment? A poll

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    Re: Why the unemployment? A poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Thank GOD for the state, for without, we would all be lost.
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    Re: Why the unemployment? A poll

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    Free market is a disaster the way it stands. What's needed is a controlled organization like OPEC.
    This short-sighted outlook is based on nothing other than a desire for partisan political power.

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    Re: Why the unemployment? A poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    The key idea here is "transition". Once things balance out thru global competition, things will get better. Remember that global competition works both way, and that as things shift, the excessively low wages overseas will rise.

    Part of the issue here is the insistence of labor unions that they can dictate the cost of the labor that their members provide. That just ain't so any more.
    True. I've been hearing lately that the Chinese workers are making demands for better wages. It will be nice when the rest of the world catches up with us, and we can get back to a more realistic economy. Imo, we've been suffering from irrational exuberance for far too long.
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    Re: Why the unemployment? A poll

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    True. I've been hearing lately that the Chinese workers are making demands for better wages. It will be nice when the rest of the world catches up with us, and we can get back to a more realistic economy. Imo, we've been suffering from irrational exuberance for far too long.
    Well... it IS better to lead than to try to play catch-up.

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    Re: Why the unemployment? A poll

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Multiple factors: we have become a very unproductive country as far as actual products go (we've stop producing goods, and started turning to service industries), we seem to keep growing the government employee sector, while the private sector is standing still, and we have a disproportionately large portion of citizens on government payrolls in one form or another. Government doesn't produce- it's a net cost, and the private sector is growing at a much slower pace than the sector who needs support from the public sector.
    Disproportionate compared to what?

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    Re: Why the unemployment? A poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    Disproportionate compared to what?
    To what is affordable and sustainable in a functioning economy.
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    Re: Why the unemployment? A poll

    I am no economics expert but my observations are, I noticed that here in Europe at least, the cost of living and the expectation people generally have about what they should have materially has caused a need for most to earn a certain amount of money, causing fewer jobs to be available due to the cost of employees wages and expensive work place standards every employee is entitled to. Even with the average income a person earns, many claim to be unable to earn enough for a family and home without a double income comming in, so there are a lot of people either actively employed or looking for jobs, which boosts up the unemployment percentages : jobs available ratio.

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    Re: Why the unemployment? A poll

    I would say it is our greed that is the problem, but is it really greed, or is the amount of over materialism something we subconsiously absorb in the littered with media advertising societies we live in.

    As well as that, there is the social pressure to have what others have. I sometimes find us(me, my partner and my child) being labeled as poor, because we dont tend to buy what people around us typically spend their money on. We tend to focus more on quality of life, education, travel... If we were to give into the pressure that is very real, we would likely feel a need to not only have the education, travel, other stuff which is important to us, but also to have what is important to others, that would make us less ecentric. It would also make living twice as expensive or more, because not only would we then need for both of us to work full time, but we would also have the childcare and housekeeper expenses.

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    Re: Why the unemployment? A poll

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Yes, but it's the small junky things at Walmart that are the huge bulk of our buying habits. I buy small junky things at least a couple of days per week, and a car once every 5-8 years. Labor unions here have sort of priced themselves out of the market, and now even they are being supported by government (ie us).
    There are many states in the South where labor unions are weak, but the South isn't a big manufacturing area because of it. There are also other ways car manufacturers could cut costs. I think that the pay for management and labor should be tied together, and I think progressive pay cuts should be given for big corporations when a company tries to tighten it's belt.

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Plus they are decreasing because lots of people just can't afford their products. Agreed on the regulation business (plus coming tax increases on small business). A close friend of mine has owned a local vacuum sales and repair store for about 25 years here. He's closing the doors after next year, specifically because of tax changes and increasing bureaucracy/paperwork.
    What this means is that regulations on local and small businesses need to be reduced - however, I want to retain close regulations on larger businesses, as their business practices have greater effects.

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Unfortunately that's true. Thirty years ago, you could go to a trade school (carpentry, plumbing, etc) and learn a skill that was decent paying enough to live on. Now, with illegal immigration, those jobs have disappeared.
    I think very few of those jobs requiring trade schools have pressure put on them by illegal immigration. Most illegal immigrants are menial laborers, not tradesmen, and while both are blue collar jobs they have two different level of skills.

    For example, while many illegal immigrants work in construction, I bet most of the jobs they do are of the basic variety than nearly anyone can be trained to do with a few hours of training. Carpenters, on the other hand, have more advanced skill sets and are capable of doing more involved work.

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    Re: Why the unemployment? A poll

    Uncertainty about what's in the HC bill, the financial deform bill, (243 new regulations in a 2400 pg bill) the expiring of Bush tax cuts.
    Moretoreum on oil drilling
    The Unions
    Fear of redistribution of wealth
    Fear of cap and tax
    Fear of new taxes starting in Jan
    I heard there is something like 1.5 Trillion dollars that people are sitting on because they are afraid to spend in this unfriendly to business atmosphere.
    I mean seriously, who wants to take a risk on a new business or expand one under all this uncertainty?

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