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Thread: Why the unemployment? A poll

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    Re: Why the unemployment? A poll

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    In going global, we have really screwed ourselves in a way.
    Going global is the inevitable result of a free market. Ultimately, this is good for the consumer.

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    Re: Why the unemployment? A poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    That's not entirely true.
    Some things can be made overseas with better cost efficiency (think small junky things at Walmart and dollar stores) but others like cars,bulky items can't.

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    Yes, but it's the small junky things at Walmart that are the huge bulk of our buying habits. I buy small junky things at least a couple of days per week, and a car once every 5-8 years. Labor unions here have sort of priced themselves out of the market, and now even they are being supported by government (ie us).

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Wage labor jobs are decreasing because of automation and greater per worker efficiency.
    Costs of doing business are on the increase as well from over regulation.
    Plus they are decreasing because lots of people just can't afford their products. Agreed on the regulation business (plus coming tax increases on small business). A close friend of mine has owned a local vacuum sales and repair store for about 25 years here. He's closing the doors after next year, specifically because of tax changes and increasing bureaucracy/paperwork.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    For some people the job market doesn't look good, get some kind of education and you stand a far better chance than high school graduates and GED holders.
    Unfortunately that's true. Thirty years ago, you could go to a trade school (carpentry, plumbing, etc) and learn a skill that was decent paying enough to live on. Now, with illegal immigration, those jobs have disappeared.
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    Re: Why the unemployment? A poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Going global is the inevitable result of a free market. Ultimately, this is good for the consumer.
    Of course it's good for the consumer, but in a world economy, with our wages being uncompetitive in that world economy, our business sector (which is a huge tax monies contributor into the feds) is forced to either ship manufacturing overseas, or sell their products for an uncompetitive price. Imo, it's caused more problems than it has helped. The transition is a part of what has killed our economy and our tax base.
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    Re: Why the unemployment? A poll

    People lose their jobs because the buying trend loses steam, and less buying cause layoffs. Fortunately we have Social Security and pensions to soften the blow this time. Back in the thirties, during the depression, we had neither.

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    Re: Why the unemployment? A poll

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Yes, but it's the small junky things at Walmart that are the huge bulk of our buying habits. I buy small junky things at least a couple of days per week, and a car once every 5-8 years. Labor unions here have sort of priced themselves out of the market, and now even they are being supported by government (ie us).
    I do agree with unions out pricing labor but it's just more efficient to have people overseas make this stuff.
    We can build more technically superior, valuable things.
    That's why I mentioned having an education because we need more engineers and technicians in complicated tech fields.

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Plus they are decreasing because lots of people just can't afford their products. Agreed on the regulation business (plus coming tax increases on small business). A close friend of mine has owned a local vacuum sales and repair store for about 25 years here. He's closing the doors after next year, specifically because of tax changes and increasing bureaucracy/paperwork.
    My direct experience is that efficiency is what is killing jobs, not necessarily a bad thing but not a good thing for some people.
    To illustrate what I mean, my company has consolidated production of 3-5 facilities (can't remember the exact number) down to the one I work in.

    We have only hired about 20-30 additional temp workers since the recession.
    Our plant has better technology and is over all more efficient than those plants that were closed down.
    My specific line has gone from making 100 units in 10 hours to making 150 in 8 hours.
    We're just getting more and more efficient.

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Unfortunately that's true. Thirty years ago, you could go to a trade school (carpentry, plumbing, etc) and learn a skill that was decent paying enough to live on. Now, with illegal immigration, those jobs have disappeared.
    Plumping, electrical, HVAC are still viable.
    Carpentry can be so-so depending on the specific field but you are right in many instances.
    You also have to remember that people now spend more money on luxuries.
    Subscription television services, internet and other things people 20-50 years ago didn't enjoy, adds to the total cost of living.
    Not to mention the loads of debt people are putting themselves into.
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    Re: Why the unemployment? A poll

    In a nut shell...

    Currently, the average combined federal and state corporate tax rate in the U.S. is 39.3 percent, second among OECD countries to Japan's combined rate of 39.5 percent.1 Lowering the federal rate to 30.5 percent would only lower the U.S.'s ranking to fifth highest among industrialized countries.
    The Tax Foundation - U.S. States Lead the World in High Corporate Taxes

    Add State taxes on to the federal burden (which this publication does), then ask yourself why jobs go overseas.
    There is no such thing as a “Natural Born Dual-Citizen“.

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    Re: Why the unemployment? A poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    We can build more technically superior, valuable things.
    That's why I mentioned having an education because we need more engineers and technicians in complicated tech fields.
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    Yeah, but it takes one engineer to oversee the computers and automated machinery that replaced 100 workers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Plumping, electrical, HVAC are still viable.
    Carpentry can be so-so depending on the specific field but you are right in many instances.
    My observation is that the building trades now have one or two American owners or foremen with a couple of crews of low-paid Mexican workers, at least in this part of the country. This has helped keep the cost of building lower than it is in reality. Again, good for the American consumer, bad for the American wage-earner.
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    Re: Why the unemployment? A poll

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Of course it's good for the consumer, but in a world economy, with our wages being uncompetitive in that world economy, our business sector (which is a huge tax monies contributor into the feds) is forced to either ship manufacturing overseas, or sell their products for an uncompetitive price. Imo, it's caused more problems than it has helped. The transition is a part of what has killed our economy and our tax base.
    The key idea here is "transition". Once things balance out thru global competition, things will get better. Remember that global competition works both way, and that as things shift, the excessively low wages overseas will rise.

    Part of the issue here is the insistence of labor unions that they can dictate the cost of the labor that their members provide. That just ain't so any more.

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    Re: Why the unemployment? A poll

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    People lose their jobs because the buying trend loses steam, and less buying cause layoffs. Fortunately we have Social Security and pensions to soften the blow this time. Back in the thirties, during the depression, we had neither.
    Thank GOD for the state, for without, we would all be lost.

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    Re: Why the unemployment? A poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Going global is the inevitable result of a free market. Ultimately, this is good for the consumer.
    Free market is a disaster the way it stands. What's needed is a controlled organization like OPEC.

    ricksfolly

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