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    Re: Why the unemployment? A poll

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    When this problem of cheap goods first began several hundred years ago, I quickly, and not very deeply thought that the solution was a tax on the goods to compensate for the difference in manufacturing or growing expense....In more direct terms - a tax on imports...
    Whatever happened to this tax?
    Just how old are you

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    Re: Why the unemployment? A poll

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    When this problem of cheap goods first began several hundred years ago, I quickly, and not very deeply thought that the solution was a tax on the goods to compensate for the difference in manufacturing or growing expense....In more direct terms - a tax on imports...
    Whatever happened to this tax?
    Ask Herbert Hoover.

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    Re: Why the unemployment? A poll

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Maybe only for war industries would this be true, but for everything else there really isn't a need. Why do it yourself if someone else can do it better? And if you can do it better, what's stopping you? The infant industry argument is the same as the monopoly argument and it simply doesn't hold water. Investment and loans means this "barrier to entry" phenomenon is largely overstated.
    What were the tariff policies of the Asian tigers ? The results?
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
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    Re: Why the unemployment? A poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    How does this even out the wage differences? Aren't the people over there still making the same?
    And, doesn't this simply incent the companies to do business somewhere that the taxes arent so high?
    No, the US is the good position as being the biggest consumer market. Plus many of the companies in question on the US domestic market.. are American.

    Of course there aren't.
    'Cause, you know, its the proper role of government to protect artificially inflated wages that do not reflect the market value of the labor put into them.
    You dont understand it the whole problem then. The government could take a hands off approach, remove all taxes, and the wage difference would still be huge, because the standard of living in the US is so much higher than the that of China and India. The only thing that could remotely help was going back to slavery.
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    Re: Why the unemployment? A poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Basically, he is calling for anti-trade liberalization policy. Protectionism is only necessary for infant industry (see Asian tigers).
    Err not true. I am calling for some kind of protectionism that is true, but that is only because we are debating unemployment as the sole issue. Now if we did not focus so much on unemployment but the over all economy, then I would be against over all protectionism and would only be in favour in selected key industries (which is what the US does somewhat already). But what I dont like and never have liked, are our western countries allowing "up and comers" to abuse our hospitality and need for cheap goods, by exploiting their wage differential above and beyond the natural free market aspects. I am thinking of China giving massive tax incentives for companies to relocated to China, or India protecting its own market from outsiders and so on and so on.

    As for protectionism being only necessary for infant industry... then why is it that countries like Japan, South Korea and now China and India have protectionist policies that protect their industries? Hell India still refuses outside companies in owning Indian companies and can only run companies in India if they are 51% Indian owned. China has a monetary policy and tax policy that helps its own industry while it is not exactly easy for outsiders to enter the Chinese market. South Korea still supports its massive industries that are world leaders by protecting the domestic market and investing massively in local infrastructure that benefits its own people and industry (done by local companies only of course).
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    Re: Why the unemployment? A poll

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Multiple factors: we have become a very unproductive country as far as actual products go (we've stop producing goods, and started turning to service industries), we seem to keep growing the government employee sector, while the private sector is standing still, and we have a disproportionately large portion of citizens on government payrolls in one form or another. Government doesn't produce- it's a net cost, and the private sector is growing at a much slower pace than the sector who needs support from the public sector.
    Our productivity, of the few products that we do build is among the worlds best. Not that further improvements cannot be made, they can always be made... I worked the assembly line for years(defense industry)...they are not very efficient..
    We need better, smarter engineers.
    Management must learn to listen to the workers.
    But there is no way we can compete against the Chinese; the work very hard, I believe, and for pennies per hour..
    The answer/solution is obvious, or is it???
    Government does produce, indirectly.
    Where would our agriculture be without the Department of Agriculture?
    This is public knowledge.
    I'm thinking of a Department of Industry or Manufacturing, based along similar lines.
    Please elaborate on the last sentence, as written, no sense results.

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    Re: Why the unemployment? A poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    What were the tariff policies of the Asian tigers ? The results?
    Wow, so what? I could just as easily say that they grew despite those policies. Examples like this are worthless, you have to discuss theory.

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    Re: Why the unemployment? A poll

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    No, the US is the good position as being the biggest consumer market. Plus many of the companies in question on the US domestic market.. are American.
    The US may be the largest market, but that doesnt mean it is the most profitable. If the US adds taxes to deliberately reduce the profits of companies that employ chepa labor, then those companies will make their profit elsewhere. This includes American companies as well.

    You dont understand it the whole problem then. The government could take a hands off approach, remove all taxes, and the wage difference would still be huge, because the standard of living in the US is so much higher than the that of China and India. The only thing that could remotely help was going back to slavery.
    No... YOU dont understand the whole 'problem'. The labor market no longer allows anyone to dictate wages; the US (and everyone else) is now part of that market. Anything that artificially raises the price of labor, be it taxation or union obstinace, does nothing but guarantee that the jpbs will go somewhere else.

    What will have to happen is that those who do not have a job that cannot be sent elsewhere will have to accept a lower standard of living until such a time that market forces balance out wages across the entire market.

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    Re: Why the unemployment? A poll

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Wow, so what? I could just as easily say that they grew despite those policies. Examples like this are worthless, you have to discuss theory.
    But we know this is bull**** (the bold), as even the US adopted such a policy. Tariffs in United States history - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia You might be able to "say" such nonsense, but there is nothing you can say to substantiate your tale.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
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    Re: Why the unemployment? A poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    Here's mine: We need to reject the consumerist and entitlement mindset that got us in hock to the tune of $54 trillion and get back to some of the basic princples and ideals that made America a great country, starting with this principle:
    With great freedom comes great responsibility. I agree.
    There's nothing wrong with accumulating wealth in whatever legal manner one might care to.
    There -is- something wrong with not using that wealth to help those less fortunate.


    Note that the above statement is a moral position. That I hold this moral position in no way crreates an argument for me (or anyone else) to force this moral position on others.

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