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    Re: Why the unemployment? A poll

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Point is that our own policies of globalisation, liberalisation, a need for 3+% growth and lets not forget the urge for cheap goods, has driven work out of the countries in question into the hands of the cheapest stable countries the world .. and that means we get unemployed in the short and medium turn.
    What's your solution, ace?

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    Re: Why the unemployment? A poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    What's your solution, ace?
    Good question, I have no easy answer because it is such a massive problem, since the world is so much smaller than it was 50 years ago.

    The easiest would to put in place taxes to even out the wage difference and hence reduce the incentive to take jobs overseas. Remember we are not taking about slight differences, but huge massive differences. For example if an American weaver gets say 6 dollars an hour, the Chinese gets say 2 dollars.. or even less. You can expect the American weaver to live off 2 or less dollars an hour, so you have to do something to prevent the job going overseas.
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    Re: Why the unemployment? A poll

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    The easiest would to put in place taxes to even out the wage difference and hence reduce the incentive to take jobs overseas.
    Who is to place these taxes on whom?

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    Re: Why the unemployment? A poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Who is to place these taxes on whom?
    Government on companies that import goods from overseas, from areas that have much lower wages. Yes the companies can push on the cost to the consumer if not done right. Point is, much like the your illegal immigrant problem, you need to make sure the cost for the company for doing what it is doing, is so high that they stop doing it.

    As I said, it aint perfect, but as it stands now there are no other solutions that are remotely realistic (and even this one is hard to do). Pushing all the blame on government and the worker while letting the companies yet again get away scot free is just pathetic. Like it or not the chances of the average American accepting a reduction in their living standard by 80+% is just unrealistic, plus it would ruin the US economy.
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    Re: Why the unemployment? A poll

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Government on companies that import goods from overseas, from areas that have much lower wages.
    How does this even out the wage differences? Aren't the people over there still making the same?
    And, doesn't this simply incent the companies to do business somewhere that the taxes arent so high?

    As I said, it aint perfect, but as it stands now there are no other solutions that are remotely realistic
    Of course there aren't.
    'Cause, you know, its the proper role of government to protect artificially inflated wages that do not reflect the market value of the labor put into them.

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    Re: Why the unemployment? A poll

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    It has everything to do with that. All of those taxes means about 50% of our income goes to the government, that's why we demand a high income. Minimum wage means even those with low skill sets have to demand a relatively high wage. Of course we want cheap goods, that's human nature, but we can't produce those goods here because we need a higher income to deal with the taxes. Plus welfare and other social spending make people less willing to work.
    Its commonly referred to "living outside ones productive capacity" which is a crux behind trade liberalization (along with comparative advantage).
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
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    Re: Why the unemployment? A poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    How does this even out the wage differences? Aren't the people over there still making the same?
    And, doesn't this simply incent the companies to do business somewhere that the taxes arent so high?

    Of course there aren't.
    'Cause, you know, its the proper role of government to protect artificially inflated wages that do not reflect the market value of the labor put into them.
    Basically, he is calling for anti-trade liberalization policy. Protectionism is only necessary for infant industry (see Asian tigers).
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Why the unemployment? A poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    Productivity has been going up for years but not pay..


    My guess is that this is due primarily to technology, and not actual increased productivity of humans who earn wages.
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    Re: Why the unemployment? A poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Basically, he is calling for anti-trade liberalization policy. Protectionism is only necessary for infant industry (see Asian tigers).
    Maybe only for war industries would this be true, but for everything else there really isn't a need. Why do it yourself if someone else can do it better? And if you can do it better, what's stopping you? The infant industry argument is the same as the monopoly argument and it simply doesn't hold water. Investment and loans means this "barrier to entry" phenomenon is largely overstated.

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    Re: Why the unemployment? A poll

    When this problem of cheap goods first began several hundred years ago, I quickly, and not very deeply thought that the solution was a tax on the goods to compensate for the difference in manufacturing or growing expense....In more direct terms - a tax on imports...
    Whatever happened to this tax?

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