View Poll Results: Unemployment....why???

Voters
136. You may not vote on this poll
  • Conservative policies

    22 16.18%
  • Liberal policies

    83 61.03%
  • both

    22 16.18%
  • our greed

    21 15.44%
  • other, please explain.

    26 19.12%
Multiple Choice Poll.
Page 11 of 17 FirstFirst ... 910111213 ... LastLast
Results 101 to 110 of 163

Thread: Why the unemployment? A poll

  1. #101
    Traditionalist
    phattonez's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Los Angeles, CA
    Last Seen
    12-05-17 @ 03:45 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    20,072

    Re: Why the unemployment? A poll

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Unemployment has many reasons, both conservative and left wing reasons and natural reasons. But I see as usual these boards blame the left.

    Like it or not, much of the unemployment in the US is due to the last decade of CONSERVATIVE rule that cause a massive bubble based on greed and deregulation in key areas. But let me guess, it was also the lefts fault because the last decade of conservative rule in the US was in reality massive liberal conspiracy!

    It is exporting jobs abroad and technology.. yes the free world market and globalisation, a very conservative ideal, that has cost the industrial base and hence jobs in the US.

    It is also the fact that the American consumer demanding cheap goods, cheap goods that can only be produced outside the US because the standard of living in the US means that you cant make 1 dollar t-shirts without a huge loss. It is the same principle that is making millions of illegals pour over the border.. American consumers demands cheap food and to get that the farmers need to pay next to nothing to its work force and only the illegals are willing to do the job.

    Now there are also labour laws and regulation in general.. Some are not needed others are, but in general, the US regulates in strange places, often to protect companies instead of the consumer.. that is if they at all regulate. But as long as you have a weak regulatory system in place, then you have use the legal system to sue for compensation when you are wronged. And that is a sad fact... they fuel each other.
    Cheap goods and forced expensive labor (due to social security, payroll taxes, minimum wage, etc.). You do the math.

    Who shall ascend the hill of the Lord? And who shall stand in his holy place? He who has clean hands and a pure heart, who does not lift up his soul to what is false, and does not swear deceitfully. Psalm 24
    "True law is right reason in agreement with nature . . . Whoever is disobedient is fleeing from himself and denying his human nature [and] will suffer the worst penalties . . ." - Cicero

  2. #102
    Banned
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Nun-ya-dang Bidness
    Last Seen
    02-19-11 @ 03:14 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    3,981

    Re: Why the unemployment? A poll

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    The cause of unemployment:

    1 Liberal policies

    2 Conservative policies

    3 both

    4 our greed

    5 other

    Please choose and explain.
    Other,.. all of the above and then some.

  3. #103
    I'm not-low all the time
    Kushinator's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    West Loop
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 08:06 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    16,263

    Re: Why the unemployment? A poll

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Cheap goods and forced expensive labor (due to social security, payroll taxes, minimum wage, etc.). You do the math.
    Expensive labor correlates nicely with that of highly productive labor.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

  4. #104
    Cheese
    Aunt Spiker's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    Sasnakra
    Last Seen
    09-10-16 @ 06:10 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    28,433

    Re: Why the unemployment? A poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Expensive labor correlates nicely with that of highly productive labor.
    Does it?
    Oddly enough - the highest pay brackets contain the least laborous of the people: actors, musicians, sports figures.

    None are 'productive labor' - all are 'supurfluous labor' so when the hard working citizens come home from their **** jobs they can 'relax' while being 'entertained' by these people.
    A screaming comes across the sky.
    It has happened before, but there is nothing to compare it to now.
    Pynchon - Gravity's Rainbow

  5. #105
    Educator Gabriel's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Last Seen
    10-07-10 @ 08:38 PM
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    1,019

    Re: Why the unemployment? A poll

    Productivity has been going up for years but not pay..


    Last edited by Gabriel; 07-19-10 at 01:40 PM.

  6. #106
    Traditionalist
    phattonez's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Los Angeles, CA
    Last Seen
    12-05-17 @ 03:45 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    20,072

    Re: Why the unemployment? A poll

    And how do you measure the value of production?

    Who shall ascend the hill of the Lord? And who shall stand in his holy place? He who has clean hands and a pure heart, who does not lift up his soul to what is false, and does not swear deceitfully. Psalm 24
    "True law is right reason in agreement with nature . . . Whoever is disobedient is fleeing from himself and denying his human nature [and] will suffer the worst penalties . . ." - Cicero

  7. #107
    Sage
    Lord Tammerlain's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 11:06 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    10,432

    Re: Why the unemployment? A poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Does it?
    Oddly enough - the highest pay brackets contain the least laborous of the people: actors, musicians, sports figures.

    None are 'productive labor' - all are 'supurfluous labor' so when the hard working citizens come home from their **** jobs they can 'relax' while being 'entertained' by these people.
    Viewing production in dollar terms they are or can be very productive

    A top sports star might cause the team he is on to bring in tens of millions of dollars in extra revenue. An actor might be the reason a movie made $100 million instead of $60 million. In pure dollar terms they were very productive
    Happy Hanukkah Cheerfull Kwanzaa
    Happy Christmas Merry New Year Festivus for the rest of us

  8. #108
    Sage
    PeteEU's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Denmark
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 02:54 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    29,090

    Re: Why the unemployment? A poll

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Cheap goods and forced expensive labor (due to social security, payroll taxes, minimum wage, etc.). You do the math.
    What math?

    American's want the cheapest good possible, but are not willing to work for said cheap goods because the wages required to make such goods in America, would set the US back 60+ years in progress. That is the reality of the math and it has very little to do with social security, payroll taxes and minimum wage.
    PeteEU

  9. #109
    Traditionalist
    phattonez's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Los Angeles, CA
    Last Seen
    12-05-17 @ 03:45 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    20,072

    Re: Why the unemployment? A poll

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    What math?

    American's want the cheapest good possible, but are not willing to work for said cheap goods because the wages required to make such goods in America, would set the US back 60+ years in progress. That is the reality of the math and it has very little to do with social security, payroll taxes and minimum wage.
    It has everything to do with that. All of those taxes means about 50% of our income goes to the government, that's why we demand a high income. Minimum wage means even those with low skill sets have to demand a relatively high wage. Of course we want cheap goods, that's human nature, but we can't produce those goods here because we need a higher income to deal with the taxes. Plus welfare and other social spending make people less willing to work.

    Who shall ascend the hill of the Lord? And who shall stand in his holy place? He who has clean hands and a pure heart, who does not lift up his soul to what is false, and does not swear deceitfully. Psalm 24
    "True law is right reason in agreement with nature . . . Whoever is disobedient is fleeing from himself and denying his human nature [and] will suffer the worst penalties . . ." - Cicero

  10. #110
    Sage
    PeteEU's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Denmark
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 02:54 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    29,090

    Re: Why the unemployment? A poll

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    It has everything to do with that. All of those taxes means about 50% of our income goes to the government, that's why we demand a high income. Minimum wage means even those with low skill sets have to demand a relatively high wage. Of course we want cheap goods, that's human nature, but we can't produce those goods here because we need a higher income to deal with the taxes. Plus welfare and other social spending make people less willing to work.
    And even if 50% did not go to the government the wages STILL would not be low enough to compete with the Indians and Chinese because the over all cost of living and standard of living is so much lower there compared to the west. There having indoor plumbing in many places is still a luxury, let alone having 2 tvs, 3 computers and 2 cars, not to mention 100kgs extra on the body in fat. And without the taxes there would be no military, no police and basically no society, then what the hell is the point? Without taxes, most of the US would not have power let alone telecommunications... much like rural China and India. Blame taxes and other conservative pet peves, but the fact is that even without that, the US or the west would not be able to compete with near slave labour practices of India and China. We have gotten too comfortable with our air-conditioned houses eating our fatty foods watching American Idol and surfing the net for porn while complaining that the politician's are corrupt.

    What it all comes down to is the society we have built over the last 100 years, that the standard of living demanded by our citizens is high and I dare you start claiming that people should lower their wage demands to that of the Chinese and Indians... while living in New York or Arkansas. That wage could not even feed a pig, let alone a family. It would require that house prices would need to fall by at least 75% in many areas, plus all prices in general. There would be a need for a huge deflation to even come close to your utopia.

    That is why the free market principles have failed yet again because it is exporting jobs overseas without replacing them in the domestic markets. Sure the US and Europe have gone from a manufacturing (minus Germany) society to a consumer lead service industry and onward to an information lead industry. Problem is that the cheap places can easily replace the information industry as well (as we see with call centres and considering most information technology is built in China any ways), and that leads us with the service industry... so everyone should be McD people now? This WILL lead to unemployment because people can not adapt fast enough or even want to adapt, especially the older generation... like a 50 year old car worker that is now forced to work in a supermarket at 1/10 of the wage.

    Point is that our own policies of globalisation, liberalisation, a need for 3+% growth and lets not forget the urge for cheap goods, has driven work out of the countries in question into the hands of the cheapest stable countries the world .. and that means we get unemployed in the short and medium turn.

    Now in theory globalisation is a great thing.. but we are not one world, and the income differences and standards of living are so hugely different, that in fact globalisation will ultimately lead to the downfall of many former industrial powerhouses like the UK, France, US and so on.. unless they start to protect themselves from price dumping practice of China and India, who are very good at protecting their own markets to keep the edge over everyone else.
    PeteEU

Page 11 of 17 FirstFirst ... 910111213 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •