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    Re: Abolish the Postal Service

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post

    Try sending a first class letter with anyone besides USPS, and also try to get consent from congress in order to compete with USPS.
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    Re: Abolish the Postal Service

    Did you notice that they all say express?

    "Congress has delegated to the Postal Service the power to decide whether others may compete with it, and the Postal Service has carved out an exception to its monopoly for extremely urgent letters."

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    Re: Abolish the Postal Service

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    What are you talking about?



    United States Postal Service - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Try sending a first class letter with anyone besides USPS, and also try to get consent from congress in order to compete with USPS.
    OK, didn't know that.

    Still, this certainly seems Constitutional, since it's explicitly IN the Constitution, in the same way that someone can't start their own army.

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    Re: Abolish the Postal Service

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    OK, didn't know that.

    Still, this certainly seems Constitutional, since it's explicitly IN the Constitution, in the same way that someone can't start their own army.
    Actually, a person could start their own army since those are militias. A state, however, cannot have a standing army or navy.

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    Re: Abolish the Postal Service

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Did you notice that they all say express?

    "Congress has delegated to the Postal Service the power to decide whether others may compete with it, and the Postal Service has carved out an exception to its monopoly for extremely urgent letters."
    Express, 1st class in the end whatever one calls it it achieves the same goal.

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    Re: Abolish the Postal Service

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    OK, didn't know that.

    Still, this certainly seems Constitutional, since it's explicitly IN the Constitution, in the same way that someone can't start their own army.
    It's constitutional, but so what? It's inefficient, that's why I want it abolished. Pass an amendment because it's a terrible flaw in the constitution. No monopolies over mail, there's no need.

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Express, 1st class in the end whatever one calls it it achieves the same goal.
    If you can pick and choose your competition then you're not really competing in the market, are you? USPS is inefficient because it lacks competition, period.

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    Re: Abolish the Postal Service

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    It's not hard when you're granted monopoly privleges.
    How do they have a monopoly? Never heard of UPS? FedEx? Anyone can start a service to deliver letters and packages. Use one of those.
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    Re: Abolish the Postal Service

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    How do they have a monopoly? Never heard of UPS? FedEx? Anyone can start a service to deliver letters and packages. Use one of those.
    Lysander Spooner did and he was shut down by the government. UPS and FedEx can deliver letters, but they are prohibited from using mailboxes. They have to hand deliver the letter to you.

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    Re: Abolish the Postal Service

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    How do they have a monopoly? Never heard of UPS? FedEx? Anyone can start a service to deliver letters and packages. Use one of those.
    This is one of the basic facts about USPS. Read the Wikipedia article on it; there's a section entitled "Universal Service Obligation and monopoly status."

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    Re: Abolish the Postal Service

    I don't understand why people complain so much about the postal service. I haven't had a single problem with them before. Maybe it's because I live in a suburb rather than a major city? I don't know... but the postal service works fine for me.

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