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    Want to make a deal on cutiing defense spending?

    This is directed mostly for those on the left who (supposedly) care about the federal deficits and the national debt, but all may feel free to respond...

    FY2009
    Total defense spending was $655.8B
    Total spending on entitlements was $2288.7B

    How much do -you- want to cut defense spending?

    -I'll- agree to cutting defense spending by any amount -you- care to specifiy, so long as -you- then agree to cut entitlement spending $3.48 for each $1 cut from defense.

    Further, I'll let YOU choose what programs are cut from defense, so long as I get to choose what programs are cut from entitlements.

    Are you willing to make that deal?

    If so, how much to you want to cut...?
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    Re: Want to make a deal on cutiing defense spending?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    This is directed mostly for those on the left who (supposedly) care about the federal deficits and the national debt, but all may feel free to respond...

    FY2009
    Total defense spending was $655.8B
    Total spending on entitlements was $2288.7B

    How much do -you- want to cut defense spending?

    -I'll- agree to cutting defense spending by any amount -you- care to specify, so long as -you- then agree to cut entitlement spending $3.48 for each $1 cut from defense.

    Further, I'll let YOU choose what programs are cut from defense, so long as I get to choose what programs are cut from entitlements.

    Are you willing to make that deal?

    If so, how much to you want to cut...?
    I want to point out that the "entitlement spending" you mention probably includes a tiny bit for roadways and transportation systems.

    I am 100% sure that at least some roadways are used for transportation purposes by the military, and I'm fairly sure that the various defense contractors use them as well.

    I'm not as sure, but it seems quite likely that other transportation methods are used as well.

    So perhaps adding the transportation spending to the defense spending is warranted?
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    Re: Want to make a deal on cutiing defense spending?

    I wouldn't make this deal. I believe we should increase defense spending and vastly decrease entitlement spending. We also need to reform government employment and cut out waste/pork.
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    Re: Want to make a deal on cutiing defense spending?

    Is the point of this thread is to demonstrate that military spending is just as important or wasteful as social spending even though the overwhelming majority of the industrialized world disagrees?
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    Re: Want to make a deal on cutiing defense spending?

    We need a new amendment:

    Entitlement spending cannot exceed Defense spending.

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    Re: Want to make a deal on cutiing defense spending?

    In the fiscal year 2009 budget Department of Housing and Urban Development medicaid, medicare and unemployment/welfare totaled $1031 million. The defense budget, off budget spending, GWOT, homeland security and army core of engineers cost about $741 billion. The War is both Iraq and Afghanistan were considered appropriations and were not included in the defense budget. Social security costs $953 billion. I fail to see where you obtained 2288 billion in "entitlement" spending from. Social security has its own revenue stream, so you can't use it to fix our deficit problems. Even if you include it, your numbers are still off by around 300 billion.

    I would support a spending plan that cut every single one of the programs I just mentioned, but that doesn't excuse your inaccurate figures.

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    Re: Want to make a deal on cutiing defense spending?

    Yeah, I was about to say, your numbers are way off, OP!
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    Re: Want to make a deal on cutiing defense spending?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    We need a new amendment:

    Entitlement spending cannot exceed Defense spending come from the federal government.
    fixed it for you.

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    In the fiscal year 2009 budget Department of Housing and Urban Development medicaid, medicare and unemployment/welfare totaled $1031 million. The defense budget, off budget spending, GWOT, homeland security and army core of engineers cost about $741 billion. The War is both Iraq and Afghanistan were considered appropriations and were not included in the defense budget. Social security costs $953 billion. I fail to see where you obtained 2288 billion in "entitlement" spending from. Social security has its own revenue stream, so you can't use it to fix our deficit problems. Even if you include it, your numbers are still off by around 300 billion.
    the idea that social security has it's own revenue stream is, at best, a polite fiction masked by naming a tax after it.

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    Re: Want to make a deal on cutiing defense spending?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I want to point out that the "entitlement spending" you mention probably includes a tiny bit for roadways and transportation systems.

    I am 100% sure that at least some roadways are used for transportation purposes by the military, and I'm fairly sure that the various defense contractors use them as well.

    I'm not as sure, but it seems quite likely that other transportation methods are used as well.

    So perhaps adding the transportation spending to the defense spending is warranted?
    I believe roads are entitlement spending that would be better off in the private industry.

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    Re: Want to make a deal on cutiing defense spending?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    This is directed mostly for those on the left who (supposedly) care about the federal deficits and the national debt, but all may feel free to respond...

    FY2009
    Total defense spending was $655.8B
    Total spending on entitlements was $2288.7B

    How much do -you- want to cut defense spending?

    -I'll- agree to cutting defense spending by any amount -you- care to specifiy, so long as -you- then agree to cut entitlement spending $3.48 for each $1 cut from defense.

    Further, I'll let YOU choose what programs are cut from defense, so long as I get to choose what programs are cut from entitlements.

    Are you willing to make that deal?

    If so, how much to you want to cut...?
    How about we make this deal instead? We'll make no-bid contracts for entitlement programs illegal along with no-bid contracts for defense spending. Is that fair?

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