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Thread: Want to make a deal on cutiing defense spending?

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    Re: Want to make a deal on cutiing defense spending?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Is the point of this thread is to demonstrate that military spending is just as important or wasteful as social spending even though the overwhelming majority of the industrialized world disagrees?
    Lest we forget, the conservatives live in the previous centuries, in the age of empires and surpression of the working man...

    Also, lets have a clear cut definition of "entitlements".

    As far as "waste" goes, I've seen a ton of this in both the private and public sectors, others would not see this same waste if it bit them on their fat arses.

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    Re: Want to make a deal on cutiing defense spending?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I wouldn't make this deal. I believe we should increase defense spending and vastly decrease entitlement spending. We also need to reform government employment and cut out waste/pork.
    Tempting to cut military spending down to nothing.
    News flash - The Germans Nazis, the Italian Fascists, the Soviet Communists, the Japanese imperialists have all been bested.
    90% (as I am to understand) of elQadae or whatever (Islamic extremists) have been killed or sent packing.
    The world does have its UN - lets use it...
    We, as a nation, must learn how to make friends, rather than enemies.
    For two hundred years, this cutting waste and "pork" have been a topic of discussion.
    IMO, its safe to say that waste, at least a good portion, has been cut..

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    Re: Want to make a deal on cutiing defense spending?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    We need a new amendment:

    Entitlement spending cannot exceed Defense spending.
    NO!
    We need a higher lever of intelligence and a degree of honesty.

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    Re: Want to make a deal on cutiing defense spending?

    No deal on defence spending cuts.. just bloody well cut them.

    Last edited by Gabriel; 07-18-10 at 06:22 PM.

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    Re: Want to make a deal on cutiing defense spending?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Is the point of this thread is to demonstrate that military spending is just as important or wasteful as social spending even though the overwhelming majority of the industrialized world disagrees?
    Proper defense spending is a thousand times more important that unconstitutional entitlement spending. If the rest of the "industrialized" world disagrees with us, we should stop spending money to defend them, and they can start sending our useless maggots money.

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    Re: Want to make a deal on cutiing defense spending?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    We need a new amendment:

    Entitlement spending cannot exceed Defense spending.
    That'd be a dumb thing to do.

    It would make entitlement spending lawful. Right now, it's illegal.

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    Re: Want to make a deal on cutiing defense spending?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Ah, so I was right. It was a dishonest poll from the start.
    As I said:
    Good to see you contine to live up to your reputation.

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    Re: Want to make a deal on cutiing defense spending?

    Quote Originally Posted by Winston Smith View Post
    Entitlements are entitlements for a reason. Discretionary spending is discretionary for a reason.
    Interesting that "entitlement' spending all stems from programs that the Constitution gives no power to create, while "discretionary" spending stems from programs that the Constitution directly gived the power to create.

    Revenue spent on entitlements is spent gegardless of availabe income, and, alone, exceeds all revenue created by all means. As a result is is a financial cancer, and needs to be tackled before anything else.

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    Re: Want to make a deal on cutiing defense spending?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Why is that a deal you don't want to agree on?
    No. YOUR response to the issue put to you was "no deal".
    Why wont YOU take the deal, as offered?

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    Re: Want to make a deal on cutiing defense spending?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Interesting that "entitlement' spending all stems from programs that the Constitution gives no power to create, while "discretionary" spending stems from programs that the Constitution directly gived the power to create.

    Revenue spent on entitlements is spent gegardless of availabe income, and, alone, exceeds all revenue created by all means. As a result is is a financial cancer, and needs to be tackled before anything else.
    The courts disagree with you, obviously, about the constitutionality of entitlement programs. I sympathize with your argument to some extent, but it's already been lost. I do agree that domestic spending is monstrously out of control compared to anything the Founders envisaged, but this is also true of so-called defense spending. It has everything to do with "full-spectrum dominance" and very little to do with actual defense. And you can at least argue that entitlement programs accomplish some good. Killing people and breaking stuff isn't productive in any way unless you're actually in danger...or unless you subscribe to the broken window fallacy. This is why small-government conservatives have historically opposed the warfare state right along with the welfare state.

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