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    Re: Should Marijuana be legalized?

    Please see the link in my signature.

    I think all drugs should be legalized and regulated.
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    Re: Should Marijuana be legalized?

    Okay, couple of points if you want to have an honest discussion here.

    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
    the opposition was meant as a joke but all the things I stated were things the opponents of Marijuana legalization have used or still use as propganda against it.
    Yes, it was a joke. Yes, its things used in the past by some that have been against marijuana. Its still essentially belittling those that oppose your position from the onset and suggesting from the beginning that their view point is ridiculous based on the arguments of the least rational on that side.

    This would be like me starting a thread about keeping Marijuana legalizd and after making a legitimate case for it going "Or you could say it should be legalized because it has absolute 0 negative affects to anyone at any time so is absolutely safe to use before, during, or after any activity, even driving, and is less dangerous than water".

    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
    An image from a random blog isn't really going to sway those that don't agree with you.

    An image from a random blog with zero indication as to how those numbers are found makes it even less likely.

    Are drunk driving individuals labeled under the Alcohol listing? Are deaths from driving under the influence of marijuana alos included then? Negligent acts while under intoxication, are those included? Death attributed to long term use, if they're used how does it certify that a death occured due specifically to a specific substance? Is this just based on deaths from overdoses? Etc.

    No, something like what you posted above wouldn't "Make me reconsider".

    Now, at the end of all that, I'm for legalization. I think we have many of the tools in place in crafting the laws for regulating it and allowing it into the legalized market place. Sell it in situations akin to hard liquor, IE in most states, within an authorized ABC store with a 21 years old age limit (frankly I think alcohol should go down to 18, but it should be the same as alcohol). Have similar laws regarding intoxication and use in public, driving under the influence, etc that we have with Alcohol. Also use cigerettes as a baseline idea in regards to laws of indoor smoking of it in public. While I'm generally not in favor of public smoking bans, if they're in place in the state they should be applied to marijauna as well. Similar to Tobbaco in some states I imagine you'd start to see "bars" that cater specifically to marijuana users with the proper ventiliation required to be able to have it geared towards that. I am not sure of the legitimacy of a contact high in a bar situation (I know in a very confined space its possible, but more difficult for such to happen in a large open area room), but depending on that it would potentially be a more realistic raeson why to keep it out from places of business specialized in its use as it would potentially make the notion of a designated driver impossible in bars if there's a chance one with a low tolerance for such things could get a contact high.

    But utlimately I see no reason not to legalize it. Its short term affects on a person ranges from less to about on par with alcohol, its long term danger is less, its intrusiveness on others around you is around the same as smoking, and its addiction level is low. It would potentially reduce the violence some on the border, would free up law enforcement resources, would generate jobs and revenue both in the private sector and public sector. Decriminalize it at least, legalize it preferably.

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    Re: Should Marijuana be legalized?

    I 100% believe it should be legalized. But I know people personally who have smoked it and there is an obvious effect to there ability to think. They do become slower than they were previously at connecting the dots. This is not deniable. I hear different claims based on studies as to the effect or lack of effect it has on us. But I know from my own observations that there is indeed an effect.

    So I wish it to be legalized. But I first wish the population to become truly educated as to what harm it does. It does harm! But adults do harmful things constantly that they feel is worth it. Let's just be fully informed and let each adult make their decision. I value my brain and thoughts enough to not want to decrease its already limited ability and so I choose not to join the fun. But I see no reason others shouldn't be allowed.

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    Re: Should Marijuana be legalized?

    Yes, it should be legalized. Regulated similar to alcohol and tobacco. People have been 'self-medicating' since the first caveman banged his head against the wall so his broken arm wouldn't hurt so much. ;-) The best reason anyone's ever given me for not legalizing it is that it's a gateway drug. Even that falls short in my mind.

    I've always believed in "follow the money." So when I ask myself why it hasn't been legalized, I have to believe it's for sinister reasons. I'm just not sure what those are. I wonder what would happen to the price of MJ if it were legalized. Taxed like cigarettes, I would think we'd still have an underground market. Don't know. Never bought any.
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    Re: Should Marijuana be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
    So I am a lazy imbecile? Wow...you'd be surpised at the sheer amount of intelligent people who have admitted to smoking Marijuana or still do.
    You mean like presidents of the US? What losers they are!

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    Re: Should Marijuana be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by fredmertz View Post
    I 100% believe it should be legalized. But I know people personally who have smoked it and there is an obvious effect to there ability to think. They do become slower than they were previously at connecting the dots. This is not deniable. I hear different claims based on studies as to the effect or lack of effect it has on us. But I know from my own observations that there is indeed an effect.

    So I wish it to be legalized. But I first wish the population to become truly educated as to what harm it does. It does harm! But adults do harmful things constantly that they feel is worth it. Let's just be fully informed and let each adult make their decision. I value my brain and thoughts enough to not want to decrease its already limited ability and so I choose not to join the fun. But I see no reason others shouldn't be allowed.
    Absolutely not! It does not do harm as my link in my signature discusses. What harm do you think it does?

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    Re: Should Marijuana be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Okay, couple of points if you want to have an honest discussion here.



    Yes, it was a joke. Yes, its things used in the past by some that have been against marijuana. Its still essentially belittling those that oppose your position from the onset and suggesting from the beginning that their view point is ridiculous based on the arguments of the least rational on that side.

    This would be like me starting a thread about keeping Marijuana legalizd and after making a legitimate case for it going "Or you could say it should be legalized because it has absolute 0 negative affects to anyone at any time so is absolutely safe to use before, during, or after any activity, even driving, and is less dangerous than water".



    An image from a random blog isn't really going to sway those that don't agree with you.

    An image from a random blog with zero indication as to how those numbers are found makes it even less likely.

    Are drunk driving individuals labeled under the Alcohol listing? Are deaths from driving under the influence of marijuana alos included then? Negligent acts while under intoxication, are those included? Death attributed to long term use, if they're used how does it certify that a death occured due specifically to a specific substance? Is this just based on deaths from overdoses? Etc.

    No, something like what you posted above wouldn't "Make me reconsider".

    Now, at the end of all that, I'm for legalization. I think we have many of the tools in place in crafting the laws for regulating it and allowing it into the legalized market place. Sell it in situations akin to hard liquor, IE in most states, within an authorized ABC store with a 21 years old age limit (frankly I think alcohol should go down to 18, but it should be the same as alcohol). Have similar laws regarding intoxication and use in public, driving under the influence, etc that we have with Alcohol. Also use cigerettes as a baseline idea in regards to laws of indoor smoking of it in public. While I'm generally not in favor of public smoking bans, if they're in place in the state they should be applied to marijauna as well. Similar to Tobbaco in some states I imagine you'd start to see "bars" that cater specifically to marijuana users with the proper ventiliation required to be able to have it geared towards that. I am not sure of the legitimacy of a contact high in a bar situation (I know in a very confined space its possible, but more difficult for such to happen in a large open area room), but depending on that it would potentially be a more realistic raeson why to keep it out from places of business specialized in its use as it would potentially make the notion of a designated driver impossible in bars if there's a chance one with a low tolerance for such things could get a contact high.

    But utlimately I see no reason not to legalize it. Its short term affects on a person ranges from less to about on par with alcohol, its long term danger is less, its intrusiveness on others around you is around the same as smoking, and its addiction level is low. It would potentially reduce the violence some on the border, would free up law enforcement resources, would generate jobs and revenue both in the private sector and public sector. Decriminalize it at least, legalize it preferably.
    That graph is completely accurate...surely you know in 10,000 years of usage there has never been a SINGLE recorded death from Marijuana.

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    Re: Should Marijuana be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
    That graph is completely accurate...surely you know in 10,000 years of usage there has never been a SINGLE recorded death from Marijuana.
    Again, that hinges on how the data was collected.

    Death from direct usage? IE overdose?

    Death from related health affects? IE Lung cancer? And if that's the case, how much proof of the cause and the reason for death was required to consider someone having died from that drug?

    Death from the related mind or body altering affects? IE drunk driving deaths? Again, how is this determined and totaled.

    That information is paramount to know to be able to take the chart seriously, both in regards to the amount of deaths attributed to marijuana and to other drugs on the list.

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    Re: Should Marijuana be legalized?

    there have been studies that show Marijuana has zero correlation with lung cancer...

    don't take my word for it though, listen to the qualified doctors including a Harvard medical professor speak about it.

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    Re: Should Marijuana be legalized?

    Is individual liberty a controversial item?
    This is a individual liberty issue.
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