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    Re: Should Marijuana be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Im fully aware of that, in fact my colleagues bring this up all the time. When is the last time you heard of someone committing a burglary or robbery to get the money to afford cigarettes? Once you get legalization started, and the price doesn't have to be jacked up to cover the cost of the risk involved, the price is lowered and the product gets purchased at the store like beer and cigarettes. Theft problem fixed.

    All one does when they arrest a marijuana user is cost them more money that they then have to go steal **** to recover said cost.
    It might stop the thefts. Don't know for sure since cigarettes have pretty much always been legal so you can't really go by that. But what are you going to do about the drivers that kill? The families that will be affected by it? The families that it will tear apart due to people being against it? There are many effects that MJ causes. Effects that we are better without.
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    Re: Should Marijuana be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    It might stop the thefts. Don't know for sure since cigarettes have pretty much always been legal so you can't really go by that. But what are you going to do about the drivers that kill? The families that will be affected by it? The families that it will tear apart due to people being against it? There are many effects that MJ causes. Effects that we are better without.
    We have that same problem already with impaired drivers. We also have several decades of work in place that have set up specific standards on impaired driving cases, including methods to detect/determine impairment (called SFSTs or Standardized Field Sobriety Tests), we have programs like DRE (Drug Recognition Expert), and we have blood testing for controlled substance in relation to DWI cases.
    With all the money saved from not jailing/prosecuting marijuana users/sellers by the state, the state can expand DRE programs, as well as improve/expand their blood testing capabilities to better handle the DWI blood analysis requests that come from an increase in marijuana based DWIs.

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    Re: Should Marijuana be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    We have that same problem already with impaired drivers. We also have several decades of work in place that have set up specific standards on impaired driving cases, including methods to detect/determine impairment (called SFSTs or Standardized Field Sobriety Tests), we have programs like DRE (Drug Recognition Expert), and we have blood testing for controlled substance in relation to DWI cases.
    With all the money saved from not jailing/prosecuting marijuana users/sellers by the state, the state can expand DRE programs, as well as improve/expand their blood testing capabilities to better handle the DWI blood analysis requests that come from an increase in marijuana based DWIs.

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    Of course, they have saliva tests for drugs as well: 5 Panel Oral Saliva Test :: Oral Drug Tests :: Arham International, Inc.

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    Re: Should Marijuana be legalized?

    Yo Caine, I was wondering. Say a fella smokes a doobie on a Saturday night and has an auto accident the following Wednesday and they test him and he tests dirty. I hear it stays in your system up to 30 days, test-wise, however, as any experienced person knows the actual effects only last for a short period of time. Does that guy get screwed or are there measures in place than can detect whether the person was actually under the influence at the time of the accident?
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    Re: Should Marijuana be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    We have that same problem already with impaired drivers. We also have several decades of work in place that have set up specific standards on impaired driving cases, including methods to detect/determine impairment (called SFSTs or Standardized Field Sobriety Tests), we have programs like DRE (Drug Recognition Expert), and we have blood testing for controlled substance in relation to DWI cases.
    With all the money saved from not jailing/prosecuting marijuana users/sellers by the state, the state can expand DRE programs, as well as improve/expand their blood testing capabilities to better handle the DWI blood analysis requests that come from an increase in marijuana based DWIs.

    Any more brain busters?
    Has any of that stopped drunk driving? What you'll be doing is increasing death rates due to DWIs. Quite likely doubling it at the very least. Plus right now we can stop habitual drunk drivers by attaching a device to their cars that won't let the car start unless they breath into it. How is that going to work with MJ users?
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    Re: Should Marijuana be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Yo Caine, I was wondering. Say a fella smokes a doobie on a Saturday night and has an auto accident the following Wednesday and they test him and he tests dirty. I hear it stays in your system up to 30 days, test-wise, however, as any experienced person knows the actual effects only last for a short period of time. Does that guy get screwed or are there measures in place than can detect whether the person was actually under the influence at the time of the accident?
    Another good point.
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    Re: Should Marijuana be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Yo Caine, I was wondering. Say a fella smokes a doobie on a Saturday night and has an auto accident the following Wednesday and they test him and he tests dirty. I hear it stays in your system up to 30 days, test-wise, however, as any experienced person knows the actual effects only last for a short period of time. Does that guy get screwed or are there measures in place than can detect whether the person was actually under the influence at the time of the accident?
    With impairment from drugs you don't fall under a "legal limit" style enforcement. You have to actually show impairment, via field sobriety tests, as well as show WHAT the impairing substance is (this is where your blood test comes into play). Impairment + Impairing Substance = DWI. One or the other missing and you don't have drug impaired driving.

    As far as measures in place that can detect whether the person was actually under the influence of the drug at the time.... that is what we have the DRE program for (and why I believe we would need to vastly expand it if/when marijuana is legalized).

    The program's website can explain the process better than I can so here.. DECP - The DRE Protocol
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    Re: Should Marijuana be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Has any of that stopped drunk driving? What you'll be doing is increasing death rates due to DWIs. Quite likely doubling it at the very least. Plus right now we can stop habitual drunk drivers by attaching a device to their cars that won't let the car start unless they breath into it. How is that going to work with MJ users?
    You also have to remember that the level of impairment reached via Marijuana doesn't last as long as that of alcohol, and is not as high as that of alcohol impaired drivers.

    Ive stopped vehicles where almost literally the marijuana smoke was billowing out of the driver's side window, but said driver passed field sobriety tests just fine. We cannot prosecution people who we can't prove are impaired. From my personal experiences, I don't feel that the increase of drivers impaired by marijuana will cause any significant increase in the amount of DWI related traffic crashes/fatalities.
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    Re: Should Marijuana be legalized?

    Freedom should be "legalized" as per the US constitution....What should be illegal is arresting citizens for having possession of certain substances.

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    Re: Should Marijuana be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Peaceful protests are allowed and has been since the begining of the US. That is not civil disobedience. Now if you protest by getting into fights with the police or breaking things then that is civil disobedience.


    Odd, I thought one of the best examples of civil disobedience in American history was the civil rights movement. So let us look at how a few peaceful protests were “allowed” by the government.

    May 1962 – Birmingham, Alabama : Eugene "Bull" Connor, Commissioner of Public Safety , used fire hoses and police dogs on black demonstrators. They must have been trying to fight the cops, right?

    March 1965 – Selma, Alabama : Police stop a peaceful march of black people, violence escalated and 50 protesters are hospitalized. Again they must have tried to fight the cops, right?

    Or I guess these are just figments of imagination or delusions from our history.

    The court cases are probably false as well:

    Edwards v. South Carolina 372 u.s. 229 (1963) “187 Negro high school and college students, peacefully assembled at the site of the State Government and there peacefully expressed their grievances "to the citizens of South Carolina, along with the Legislative Bodies of South Carolina." When told by police officials that they must disperse within 15 minutes on pain of arrest, they failed to do so, and sang patriotic and religious songs after one of their leaders had delivered a "religious harangue." There was no violence or threat of violence on their part or on the part of any member of the crowd watching them, but petitioners were arrested and convicted of the common law crime of breach of the peace…” Somehow I am sure they were trying to fight the cops, right?

    SHUTTLESWORTH v. BIRMINGHAM, 394 U.S. 147 (1969) “a Negro minister who helped lead 52 Negroes in an orderly civil rights march in Birmingham, Ala., in 1963, was arrested and convicted for violating 1159 of the city's General Code, an ordinance which proscribes participating in any parade or procession on city streets or public ways without first obtaining a permit from the City Commission… Petitioner had previously been given to understand by a member of the Commission that under no circumstances would petitioner and his group be allowed to demonstrate in Birmingham” Clearly someone thought they would fight the cops, right?

    Weise, et al. v. Casper, et al. (current case) and Rank v. Jenkins. They had anti-bush bumper stickers on there cars and were denied access to a public speaking event by President Bush. Maybe they would fight the cops?

    The recent case of Katherine Gwaltney in Roanoke, VA. Arrested for not moving along and watching a TV in public with 60 other people, to demonstrate against 24 hour tv, and probably somehow or someone was going to fight the cops.

    Sullivan et al. v. City of Augusta (2005), a law struck down after the court found that the city unfairly imposed fees and rules on peaceful protesters seeking to march and gather in the state capital. May the fees and rules were to prevent the protesters from fighting the cops…

    Hague v. Committee for Industrial Organization 307 u.s. 496 (1939) this was not about fighting cops, but who know maybe you can find a reason the government wanted to shut down the protest.

    When you remove these and many other cases from history I guess you will be right when you say...
    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Peaceful protests are allowed and has been since the begining of the US.
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