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    Re: How Much Longer Will America Last?

    First of all, how long will the United States last as a nation? Indefinately. The world is far more stable today. Once upon a time, states came and went with alarming regularity and rapidity. However, today, this does not happen much at all. It is far more common for states to break up with separatist elements gaining independent status while leaving a rump state that is generally recognized as a continuation of the original state. For example: Soviet Union - Russia; Yugoslavia - Serbia; as well as Eritrea breaking away from Ethiopia, Kosovo breaking away from Serbia, among others. It did not signify the demise of a state, but rather the creation of a new state leaving a rump state to continue the international rights and obligations.

    How does this affect the United States? Well, even if the United States does decline and is no longer the world's leading power, it doens't mean the United States will die. It has a tremendous resource base and an innovative population. Will the United States break up into small pieces? Yes, there was a civil war a century and a half ago and there is the so-called blue-red "divide" but will this actually result in the split of the United States? I don't see it.

    So, the answer to this question is the U.S. will remain indefinately. The international state system is more stable today than at any point in history. It would take a major cataclysm to change that anytime in the foreseable future.
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    Re: How Much Longer Will America Last?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    First of all, how long will the United States last as a nation? Indefinately. The world is far more stable today. Once upon a time, states came and went with alarming regularity and rapidity. However, today, this does not happen much at all. It is far more common for states to break up with separatist elements gaining independent status while leaving a rump state that is generally recognized as a continuation of the original state. For example: Soviet Union - Russia; Yugoslavia - Serbia; as well as Eritrea breaking away from Ethiopia, Kosovo breaking away from Serbia, among others. It did not signify the demise of a state, but rather the creation of a new state leaving a rump state to continue the international rights and obligations.

    How does this affect the United States? Well, even if the United States does decline and is no longer the world's leading power, it doens't mean the United States will die. It has a tremendous resource base and an innovative population. Will the United States break up into small pieces? Yes, there was a civil war a century and a half ago and there is the so-called blue-red "divide" but will this actually result in the split of the United States? I don't see it.

    So, the answer to this question is the U.S. will remain indefinately. The international state system is more stable today than at any point in history. It would take a major cataclysm to change that anytime in the foreseable future.
    Hmmmmm, there are times of stability and times of upheaval, in my perception of history. It may be that times of upheaval are farther apart, but I believe they still can happen. Consider that upheaval is usually a result of a power vacuum where any mistrust that is present can germinate and bloom, and that those form when empires become untenable. I believe that empires become creaky when they attempt to maintain militaries they can no longer afford.

    I think things like the blue-red divide become blown out of proportion when demagogues attempt to use them during a crisis to further their own political potency. We already have the demagogues. All we need is the big crisis.

    Given these things, I certainly don't see the breakup of the U.S. as impossible. Not that I see it as a foregone conclusion, either. IF it does happen, I do think we'll barely able to tell how we got from here to there. And, that people with sense will be thinking and saying how ridiculous it all is.
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    Re: How Much Longer Will America Last?

    America as it was envisaged by this Nations Founders is effectively finished.
    Once any Government places multiple restrictions upon it's citizenry and Taxes them at every opportunity, then any freedoms they may have (at one time ) enjoyed are no longer enjoyable.
    Such is the state of affairs not only in the USA but to a similar extent throughout civilization.
    And to be perfectly honest such will always happen, it is a question of either the STRONG lording it over the weak or the WEAK massing together to become the STRONG and then lording it over everyone else.
    Pretty much what is happening now.
    Unionism it pretty much a protection racket, not a lot of difference.

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