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    Re: How Much Longer Will America Last?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    Well for starters I said average which is the mean of all of the past civilizations averaged out time wise. I think that we should put mathematics, civics, and history higher since to reach the 225 year mark for the United States under the Constitution of the United States will be in 2014. (1789+225=2014)
    Err...no. Under the US constitution that 225 year mark will occur on September 17th, 2012 (OMG end of the world coincidence!? haha) The Constitution was signed in 1787, not 89.

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    Re: How Much Longer Will America Last?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    Err...no. Under the US constitution that 225 year mark will occur on September 17th, 2012 (OMG end of the world coincidence!? haha) The Constitution was signed in 1787, not 89.
    You might want to double check your facts since I have the Constitution as being fully ratified at the end of 1788 and the government being elected for the First Session of Congress being in 1789. The Constitution shows that the delegates to the Philidelphia Convention have finally agreed and signed it on September 17, 1787. At this stage, it wasn't ratified by the states. I give you the National Archives and Records Administration, which shows that the US government started to function on March 4, 1789. However, it didn't have a practical existence until April 6, 1789. This still makes the year 2014 and the 225th Anniversary on March 4, 2014.

    Q. When did the United States government go into operation under the Constitution?

    A. The Constitution became binding upon nine States by the ratification of the ninth State, New Hampshire, June 21, 1788. Notice of this ratification was received by Congress on July 2, 1788. On September 13, 1788, Congress adopted a resolution declaring that electors should be appointed in the ratifying States on the first Wednesday in January, 1789; that the electors vote for President on the first Wednesday in February, 1789; and that "the first Wednesday in March next [March 4, 1789] be the time and the present seat of Congress the place for commencing proceedings under the said constitution." The Convention had also suggested "that after such Publication the Electors should be appointed, and the Senators and Representatives elected." The Constitution left with the States the control over the election of congressmen, and Congress said nothing about this in its resolution; but the States proceeded to provide for it as well as for the appointment of electors. On March 3, 1789, the old Confederation went out of existence and on March 4 the new government of the United States began legally to function, according to a decision of the Supreme Court of the United States (wings v. Speed, 5 Wheat. 420); however, it had no practical existence until April 6, when first the presence of quorums in both Houses permitted organization of Congress. On April 30, 1789, George Washington was inaugurated as President of the United States, so on that date the executive branch of the government under the Constitution became operative. But it was not until February 2, 1790, that the Supreme Court, as head of the third branch of the government, organized and, held its first session; so that is the date when our government under the Constitution became fully operative.
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    Re: How Much Longer Will America Last?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Lest we forget, our military, the world's mightiest was out-done by Islamic terrorists with balls and box-cutters.
    Islam seems to be the next "empire" - as long as fear and ignorance prevail.....
    Our military wasn't outdone by Islamic terrorists. Our government law enforcement (and other) agencies were off guard, and we as the population were complacent and unaware of what can happen.
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    Re: How Much Longer Will America Last?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    Well for starters I said average which is the mean of all of the past civilizations averaged out time wise. I think that we should put mathematics, civics, and history higher since to reach the 225 year mark for the United States under the Constitution of the United States will be in 2014. (1789+225=2014)
    I tend to go with the Declaration of Independence for the start of our country. 1976 was the Bi-Centennial year. What country are you from?

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    Re: How Much Longer Will America Last?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    I tend to go with the Declaration of Independence for the start of our country. 1976 was the Bi-Centennial year. What country are you from?
    His original statement:

    Historically speaking, governments last an average of 225 years
    The current US government was formed upon ratification of the Constitution.

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    Re: How Much Longer Will America Last?

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    If we have a war with china, who will we borrow money from and where will we get our arms without an american manufacturing base?
    just to point out; an international conflict with China would justify us negating the securities they hold; significantly reducing our debt.


    China's demographics indidate that she is going to get old before she can become a world-spanning empire. India is going to take her place in the latter half of the 21st Century as the Big Asian Power. the EU is teetering on the edge and in no position to replace the US as the dominant power; and Brazil is overrated.

    the US will remain as the biggest power in the world for some time, however, whether or not one is a superpower in fact is whether or not one is willing to be. in that regards, thanks to our current administration, we are already choosing to become less relevant.

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    Re: How Much Longer Will America Last?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    just to point out; an international conflict with China would justify us negating the securities they hold; significantly reducing our debt.


    China's demographics indidate that she is going to get old before she can become a world-spanning empire. India is going to take her place in the latter half of the 21st Century as the Big Asian Power. the EU is teetering on the edge and in no position to replace the US as the dominant power; and Brazil is overrated.

    the US will remain as the biggest power in the world for some time, however, whether or not one is a superpower in fact is whether or not one is willing to be. in that regards, thanks to our current administration, we are already choosing to become less relevant.
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    Re: How Much Longer Will America Last?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    You might want to double check your facts since I have the Constitution as being fully ratified at the end of 1788 and the government being elected for the First Session of Congress being in 1789. The Constitution shows that the delegates to the Philidelphia Convention have finally agreed and signed it on September 17, 1787. At this stage, it wasn't ratified by the states. I give you the National Archives and Records Administration, which shows that the US government started to function on March 4, 1789. However, it didn't have a practical existence until April 6, 1789. This still makes the year 2014 and the 225th Anniversary on March 4, 2014.
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    Re: How Much Longer Will America Last?

    "Boldly", dammit!

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    Re: How Much Longer Will America Last?

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    "Boldly", dammit!
    Perhaps he means this Federation?

    And, well....

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