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Thread: Birther roll call

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    Re: Birther roll call

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    "I'm not a birther. Having said that, I have no problem with any lawsuits brought to investigate the matter further. What is wrong with that? As I looked around the internet to debunk this theory, I noticed one thing. I could find nothing to indicate that presidential candidates are formally vetted by the FBI or whomever. I was able to find the the parties themselves do the vetting. That doesn't make much sense to me. Fox says hen house is safe.

    So, while I'm confident it's much ado about nothing, I say shine some light on the process. Does that make me an "I'm-not-a- birther birther? If so, I'd like to change my vote. ;-)
    My wife says I made it my personal mission to prove the birthers wrong. I suppose she'd have a point by the one or two threads I've started on the matter, particularly the NBC -vs- U.S. Citizen thread, but also the number of posts I've made arguing in the President's defense. In a nutshell, the basis for my arguments have been:

    1. The Constitution itself which gives the power to the states to determine who are it's residents and how to record same (via birth records/certificates).
    2. By the State of Hawaii's laws that govern who are its residents and how same is registered within their state.
    3. U.S. Immigration and Nationalization law (as revised since 1952 which was the governing INA law that covers the President's birth).
    4. The Foreign Affairs Manual which supports INA law.
    5. Lower U.S. District courts have upheld the natural born status of children born to 1 U.S. citizen parent and 1 foriegner long before the issue came about over President Obama but subsequent to such Supreme Court cases, i.e., Minor v Happersett or U.S. v Wong Kim Ark.
    6. DNC By-laws which outline their vetting process for presidential candidates (which is actually stronger than the RNC By-laws).


    When you put it all together, you really can't refute the evidence that's been presented nor the law. The man was born in Hawaii and meets minimum eligibility requirement under the U.S. Constitution to be this nation's 44th President. Those who disagree can bring about any law suit they wish; it is their right to do so. But I contend that without concrete evidence of the contrary, they'd be wasting their time.
    Last edited by Objective Voice; 07-14-10 at 02:52 PM.

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    Re: Birther roll call

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    My wife says I made it my personal mission to prove the birthers wrong. I suppose she'd have a point by the one or two threads I've started on the matter, particularly the NBC -vs- U.S. Citizen thread, but also the number of posts I've made arguing in the President's defense. In a nutshell, the basis for my arguments have been:

    1. The Constitution itself which gives the power to the states to determine who are it's residents and how to record same (via birth records/certificates).
    2. By the State of Hawaii's laws that govern who are its residents and how same is registered within their state.
    3. U.S. Immigration and Nationalization law (as revised since 1952 which was the governing INA law that covers the President's birth).
    4. The Foreign Affairs Manual which supports INA law.
    5. Lower U.S. District courts have upheld the natural born status of children born to 1 U.S. citizen parent and 1 foriegner long before the issue came about over President Obama but subsequent to such Supreme Court cases, i.e., Minor v Happersett or U.S. v Wong Kim Ark.
    6. DNC By-laws which outline their vetting process for presidential candidates (which is actually stronger than the RNC By-laws).


    When you put it all together, you really can't refute the evidence that's been presented nor the law. The man was born in Hawaii and meets minimum eligibility requirement under the U.S. Constitution to be this nation's 44th President. Those who disagree can bring about any law suit they wish; it is their right to do so. But I contend that without concrete evidence of the contrary, they'd be wasting their time.
    From Minor v Happersett

    The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their [88 U.S. 162, 168] parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first.
    FindLaw | Cases and Codes

    A child born in the United States, of parents of Chinese descent, who, at the time of his birth, are subjects of the Emperor of China, but have a permanent domicil and residence in the United States, *snip*

    The court ordered Wong Kim Ark to be discharged, upon the ground that he was a citizen of the United States.
    United States v. Wong Kim Ark

    There is no such thing as a “Natural Born Dual-Citizen“.

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    I didnt have to read the article to tell you that you cant read.

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    Re: Birther roll call

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Really the threads not going to be much use.

    The people who ARE birthers tend to primarily populate the conspiracy theory forum, which is the home for threads that are simply about how obama is a secret terrorist muslim born in kenyaa.

    You're also not going to likely reflect the sizable amount of poster who go "I'm not a birther!!!!" but then defend birthers, defend the notion there's "questions" to be asked, defend the notion that its not idiotic to ask, suggest that he doesn't "Seem" American but assures us that they think he is, etc. Essentially the "I"m not a birther!" birthers.

    Best bet as someone else said...go look at the conspiracy forums. They'll jump out at you quick.
    I think you nailed me. I might be a (I'm not a birther, birther) I know I hovered over the Yes No before finally hitting NO. I might have said Yes, if it wasn't public.
    So there is my confession.

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    Re: Birther roll call

    If I believe Hawaii shouldn't be a state and therefore that Obama isn't a citizen and therefore can't be president, what am I??

    In all seriousness, I'm a 'no' to this poll.

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    Re: Birther roll call

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    I think you nailed me. I might be a (I'm not a birther, birther) I know I hovered over the Yes No before finally hitting NO. I might have said Yes, if it wasn't public.
    So there is my confession.
    Well.... you are in good company.

    Sen. David Vitter
    U.S. Rep. Steve King
    U.S. Rep. Bob Inglis
    Champaign, Ill., mayor Gerald Schweighart
    Hawaii state Sen. Will Espero
    Oklahoma state Rep. Mike Ritze
    U.S. Rep. Bill Posey
    Arizona state Sen. Sylvia Allen
    Arizona state Rep. Judy Burges
    U.S. Rep. Nathan Deal
    Tom DeLay
    U.S. Rep. Roy Blunt
    U.S. Rep. Trent Franks
    New Hampshire State Rep. Laurence Rappaport
    Former Rep. J.D. Hayworth

    Something tells me Barry won't run for a second term.
    There is no such thing as a “Natural Born Dual-Citizen“.

    Originally Posted by PogueMoran
    I didnt have to read the article to tell you that you cant read.

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    Re: Birther roll call

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    Well.... you are in good company.

    Sen. David Vitter
    U.S. Rep. Steve King
    U.S. Rep. Bob Inglis
    Champaign, Ill., mayor Gerald Schweighart
    Hawaii state Sen. Will Espero
    Oklahoma state Rep. Mike Ritze
    U.S. Rep. Bill Posey
    Arizona state Sen. Sylvia Allen
    Arizona state Rep. Judy Burges
    U.S. Rep. Nathan Deal
    Tom DeLay
    U.S. Rep. Roy Blunt
    U.S. Rep. Trent Franks
    New Hampshire State Rep. Laurence Rappaport
    Former Rep. J.D. Hayworth

    Something tells me Barry won't run for a second term.
    I'm sure it's the same little voice in your head that tells you to believe all these people too. Maybe you should try a tin foil hat?

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    Re: Birther roll call

    So, Crunch...how are all those Birther court cases going?
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    Re: Birther roll call

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    Well.... you are in good company.

    Sen. David Vitter
    U.S. Rep. Steve King
    U.S. Rep. Bob Inglis
    Champaign, Ill., mayor Gerald Schweighart
    Hawaii state Sen. Will Espero
    Oklahoma state Rep. Mike Ritze
    U.S. Rep. Bill Posey
    Arizona state Sen. Sylvia Allen
    Arizona state Rep. Judy Burges
    U.S. Rep. Nathan Deal
    Tom DeLay
    U.S. Rep. Roy Blunt
    U.S. Rep. Trent Franks
    New Hampshire State Rep. Laurence Rappaport
    Former Rep. J.D. Hayworth

    Something tells me Barry won't run for a second term.
    Wow. Look at all the members of Congress. The inmates are truly running the asylum.
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    Re: Birther roll call

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Wow. Look at all the members of Congress. The inmates are truly running the asylum.
    They're not running it yet, but will be in a few months.

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    Re: Birther roll call

    They have been running the Congress since 2006.

    What gives you the idea that the situation will change at any time?

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