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    Quote Originally Posted by peepnklown View Post
    I will make it clear. At this point we are not arguing any points!
    If you want to play, define the term (Natural Born Citizen) and support it with references.
    The Venus, 12 U.S. (8 Cranch) 253, 289 (1814) (Marshall, C.J., concurring) (cites Vattel’s definition of natural born citizens); 123
    Vattel, who, though not very full to this point, is more explicit and more satisfactory on it than any other whose work has fallen into my hands, says, 'the citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or indigenes, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. Society not being able to subsist and to perpetuate itself but by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights.' 12 US 253 The Venus Rae Master | OpenJurist

    Shanks v. Dupont, 28 U.S. 242, 245 (1830) (same definition without citing Vattel);

    Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162, 167-68 (1875) (same definition without citing Vattel);

    The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.
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    Ex parte Reynolds, 1879, 5 Dill., 394, 402 (same definition and cites Vattel);

    United States v. Ward, 42 F.320 (C.C.S.D.Cal. 1890) (same definition and cites Vattel);

    U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898) (only declared under the Fourteenth Amendment a child born on U.S. soil to foreign parents and subject to the jurisdiction of the United States a “citizen of the United States” and not an Article II “natural born Citizen” and Fuller, C.J, dissenting confirming Vattel’s definition of a “natural born Citizen” );
    There is no such thing as a “Natural Born Dual-Citizen“.

    Originally Posted by PogueMoran
    I didnt have to read the article to tell you that you cant read.

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    Re: Birther roll call

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    So people still would have made up this crazy claim if he wasn't a black man, with a funny sounding name, with roots from Kenya?
    Yes. His policy is abhorred by the right. Even if he was white they would try to get him out. People blamed Bush for planning 9/11. Sexual innuendo's aside, his name isn't "funny sounding." He is white. The left smeared him. It's not about race, it's about not wanting him in office.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    It really goes to shows that the republicans/libertarians are going to the dumpster of dumpsters for bull**** to promote their political agenda. American politics on the right have really gone down the tube.
    Yeah, remember the conspiracy theories about Bush planning the world trade center bombing? It's not just the right that comes up with absurd conspiracy theories. It comes from both sides and isn't representitive of the majority on either side. Your head is apparently, "down the tube," along with American politics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rightwingnutjob View Post
    Yeah, remember the conspiracy theories about Bush planning the world trade center bombing? It's not just the right that comes up with absurd conspiracy theories. It comes from both sides and isn't representitive of the majority on either side. Your head is apparently, "down the tube," along with American politics.
    Well in my terrible humble opinion the 9/11 "conspiracy theory" is still a viable theory. While this story regarding Obama's birth right, is complete trash from the gutter. I don't blame bush for 9/11 .. err not explicitly. I actually think he was just a dupe puppet of the vice president and the pentagon. I wouldn't draw moral equivalency between these arguments. No not ever.

    This is still a very good argument. It's not been refuted in full, it certainly can’t be, given the overwhelming empirical data supporting it. Just because it is an old story these days it doesn't mean that it has gone away.

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    Re: Birther roll call

    No, truthers are just as wrong as birthers.
    We became a great nation not because we are a nation of cynics. We became a great nation because we are a nation of believers - Lindsey Graham

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    Re: Birther roll call

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    No, truthers are just as wrong as birthers.
    So Bush did bomb the World Trade Center?
























    There is no such thing as a “Natural Born Dual-Citizen“.

    Originally Posted by PogueMoran
    I didnt have to read the article to tell you that you cant read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    Well in my terrible humble opinion the 9/11 "conspiracy theory" is still a viable theory. While this story regarding Obama's birth right, is complete trash from the gutter. I don't blame bush for 9/11 .. err not explicitly. I actually think he was just a dupe puppet of the vice president and the pentagon. I wouldn't draw moral equivalency between these arguments. No not ever.

    This is still a very good argument. It's not been refuted in full, it certainly can’t be, given the overwhelming empirical data supporting it. Just because it is an old story these days it doesn't mean that it has gone away.

    Omg, I quit. You win. Obama was born in Kenya, and Bush bombed the world trade center. Biden is actually a genius and Ted Kennedy was a conservative. I'm Santa and you're the tooth fairy. You happy? You win.

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    Re: Birther roll call

    Quote Originally Posted by Rightwingnutjob View Post
    Omg, I quit. You win. Obama was born in Kenya, and Bush bombed the world trade center. Biden is actually a genius and Ted Kennedy was a conservative. I'm Santa and you're the tooth fairy. You happy? You win.
    You forgot that Cheney is Darth Satan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You forgot that Cheney is Darth Satan.
    Oh I thought that one was obvious!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rightwingnutjob View Post
    Omg, I quit. You win. Obama was born in Kenya, and Bush bombed the world trade center. Biden is actually a genius and Ted Kennedy was a conservative. I'm Santa and you're the tooth fairy. You happy? You win.
    Well that was easy .. of course the defence was weak on your behalf. Clearly birthers are out there while any reasonable person who watched the documentary would certainly have reason to doubt. Clearly the evedence to the contray on the issue with 9/11 is pretty good while the evidence of birthers is .. nothing.

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