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Thread: Should unemployment benefits be paid back by the recipients?

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    Re: Should unemployment benefits be paid back by the recipients?

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    It'll be paid back the way the funds were built initially: By employers and employees.
    That's a nice way of saying it'll be paid back by all income earners... i.e. another tax. So we the taxpayer will pay the debt, literally because we haven't already paid enough already. This seems off to me.

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    Re: Should unemployment benefits be paid back by the recipients?

    Quote Originally Posted by fredmertz View Post
    That's a nice way of saying it'll be paid back by all income earners... i.e. another tax. So we the taxpayer will pay the debt, literally because we haven't already paid enough already. This seems off to me.
    Not another tax. The same tax. Nothing changes

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    Re: Should unemployment benefits be paid back by the recipients?

    No, I dont think they should have to pay it back. It is difficult enough being unemployed, without the added stress of getting into more and more debt, and not knowing when you will be in a position to start paying it back.

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    Re: Should unemployment benefits be paid back by the recipients?

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    As others have said, employees and employers already pay for unemployment. This is why don't have an issue with unemployment per se. You actually have to have worked in order to receive it.
    My problem with it is that even if you worked to receive it, you can be ineligible to receive it no matter how much money you put into the system previously. One of my friends works for a company that openly says they fight all unemployment claims, regardless. If they lay you off, they will still fight your unemployment even if they lose. They estimate that they win in about 75% of cases. So you put into the system, you do nothing wrong, you get laid off and you still get nothing back in return.

    Where is the fairness in that?
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    Re: Should unemployment benefits be paid back by the recipients?

    I'd say yes, if not the whole thing, at least a portion of it. It should be paid back without interest unless after a certain amount of time it hasn't been paid back, then interest can accumulate.

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    Re: Should unemployment benefits be paid back by the recipients?

    Clicking the thanks button was not enough, this time. I've worked most of my entire adult life as well, but unemployment was only based on the earnings of my last job, which I only held for five months. I've been without unemployment (or a job outside the home) since August of last year.

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    1) I owe my nation a debt? On the contrary. My nation owes me a debt. I have been paying into the unemployment fund for more than 4 decades without getting a penny of that back.

    2) Free money? You are right on that. The government has been getting free money from my pocket for more than 4 decades.

    3) That seems generous in itself? Seems that I am the one who has been forced to be generous, not the government.

    Only a politician could have come up with an idea like this. If you are not a politician, then you have truly missed your calling in life.

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    Re: Should unemployment benefits be paid back by the recipients?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    My problem with it is that even if you worked to receive it, you can be ineligible to receive it no matter how much money you put into the system previously. One of my friends works for a company that openly says they fight all unemployment claims, regardless. If they lay you off, they will still fight your unemployment even if they lose. They estimate that they win in about 75% of cases. So you put into the system, you do nothing wrong, you get laid off and you still get nothing back in return.

    Where is the fairness in that?
    There is no fairness in that, and it doesn't benefit the company either unless they have a ****load of people drawing unemployment. Makes no sense from any perspective. However, if they are doing it legally, then it's those laws that need to be changed.

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    Re: Should unemployment benefits be paid back by the recipients?

    Quote Originally Posted by fredmertz View Post
    Should those who have received unemployment benefits have to pay back the funds they received?

    I know we can't go back and ask them for something we told them they would get for nothing. But in hindsight, is this a regulation we should have had in place before all the extensions happened?

    So the exact question is: In hindsight, should we have had a law to force each participant in the unemployment program to pay back their proportionate amount of unemployment benefit they received beyond the amount the national government had alotted for this program?

    I mean, basically, it would be a gov't backed, non-interest loan with no credit-check - that cannot be 'forgiven' even in bankruptcy. You owe your nation a debt. That seems generous in itself... why would they ask for more? Free money? give me a break (obviously no bias in this poll!).
    No. Unemployment is already paid for upfront so its there in case you need it for a short time.

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    Re: Should unemployment benefits be paid back by the recipients?

    No, unemployment benefits should not be paid back. People were told they would be receiving these benefits, and now they are. They can't go back onto them and force them to pay back something that was not agreed on.
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    Re: Should unemployment benefits be paid back by the recipients?

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    There is no fairness in that, and it doesn't benefit the company either unless they have a ****load of people drawing unemployment. Makes no sense from any perspective. However, if they are doing it legally, then it's those laws that need to be changed.
    Sure it does. It basically costs them nothing to fight all unemployment claims and lots of people won't appeal it after it comes back denied. The company saves money on every person they're not paying unemployment to and they let everyone know so that people don't figure they can quit or be fired and get paid for it. I agree it's a slimy thing to do, but it's entirely legal.
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