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Thread: Should unemployment benefits be paid back by the recipients?

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    Re: Should unemployment benefits be paid back by the recipients?

    Quote Originally Posted by fredmertz View Post
    You are taking away the individual's right to choose what they do with their own money.
    Well, governments have been doing thatsince governments were first formed a few thousand years ago. I'd much rather my government use my money to help those less fortunate than to study whether or not the flippinflap bird is soon to be extinct.

    I don't like the way unemployment compensation is abused; same for public assistance; Social Security disability; any of these programs. But to say they are inherently evil and shouldn't exist isn't right either.
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    Re: Should unemployment benefits be paid back by the recipients?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Well, governments have been doing thatsince governments were first formed a few thousand years ago. I'd much rather my government use my money to help those less fortunate than to study whether or not the flippinflap bird is soon to be extinct.

    I don't like the way unemployment compensation is abused; same for public assistance; Social Security disability; any of these programs. But to say they are inherently evil and shouldn't exist isn't right either.
    simply because it has been done in the past doesn't make it right. Simply because I would have chosen to help otherwise doesn't make it right either. Even if it isn't abused, it's still wrong IMO.

    There's an old philosophical argument that if I ask you, or for argument's sake, a child, to go into a room and ask them to stay there and they agree to, but then I lock the door, is it kidnapping? They know the door is locked, they have no other choice but to stay, but it's no big deal from the child's perspective because they want to stay anyway. All the while, the parents didn't know where the child is. Is it kidnapping? Or is it a runaway? The child chose to go there and stay there. But in reality, he didn't have another choice anyway.

    I say this is kidnapping. Unemployment benefits are kidnapping my money.
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    Re: Should unemployment benefits be paid back by the recipients?

    As others have said, employees and employers already pay for unemployment. This is why don't have an issue with unemployment per se. You actually have to have worked in order to receive it.

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    Re: Should unemployment benefits be paid back by the recipients?

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    As others have said, employees and employers already pay for unemployment. This is why don't have an issue with unemployment per se. You actually have to have worked in order to receive it.
    We have paid more in unemployment than we have received due to the extensions. As I have said in response to this response, the question specifically asks about the amount that has been paid "beyond the amount the national government had alotted for this program".

    An amount that has been paid, but funds have not yet been received for, is by definition a debt. Who bears the responsibility for this debt.

    I agree workers should get paid the amt of insurance they paid in for. Everything beyond that, i.e. the extension, should have been paid for, or known where it was going to be paid from, in advance. This is from where I believe it should have been paid. Do you disagree?

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    Re: Should unemployment benefits be paid back by the recipients?

    Quote Originally Posted by fredmertz View Post
    We have paid more in unemployment than we have received due to the extensions. As I have said in response to this response, the question specifically asks about the amount that has been paid "beyond the amount the national government had alotted for this program".

    An amount that has been paid, but funds have not yet been received for, is by definition a debt. Who bears the responsibility for this debt.

    I agree workers should get paid the amt of insurance they paid in for. Everything beyond that, i.e. the extension, should have been paid for, or known where it was going to be paid from, in advance. This is from where I believe it should have been paid. Do you disagree?
    We pay WAAAY more than is ever used. Where does that money go? I would assume that the extension of benefits would come from the pool of unused funds. Unless they've gone into some black hole somewhere.

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    Re: Should unemployment benefits be paid back by the recipients?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    It is the responnsibility of every civilized country to help those less fortunate...for the "haves" to give to the "have nots." The problem doesn't lie there....it lies with the inevitable abuses.
    Yes, that's called "charity" and as we all know, it starts at "home" - not in forced government handouts. We agree to give to the less fortunate - the METHOD in which that giving takes place is where the discussion occurs.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Should unemployment benefits be paid back by the recipients?

    Why would people have to pay back something that they already pay into? That makes as much sense as making people pay back the costs of the medical care they receive that is covered by insurance.
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    Re: Should unemployment benefits be paid back by the recipients?

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    We pay WAAAY more than is ever used. Where does that money go? I would assume that the extension of benefits would come from the pool of unused funds. Unless they've gone into some black hole somewhere.
    According to this:

    The Unemployment Insurance Crisis &mdash; The American, A Magazine of Ideas

    in 30 states, unemployment payments have exceeded the amount paid out and they are now borrowing from the federal gov't.

    As an employee and taxpayer, I've already paid in my fair share. The unemployed have taken more than what was originally alotted to them. Who pays for the balance?

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    Re: Should unemployment benefits be paid back by the recipients?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Why would people have to pay back something that they already pay into? That makes as much sense as making people pay back the costs of the medical care they receive that is covered by insurance.
    Is nobody reading the question I asked? They are paying out MORE than we paid in. That is a debt that needs to be paid. I asked about the amount paid "beyond the amount the national government had alotted for this program".

    So to follow your example, it woudl be like you reaching the max the insurance company will pay. And then the gov't forces the insurance company to pay more than it has received from all of it's customers. Because the sick's situation is unfortunate and not fair. And so the insurance company has to go bankrupt.

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    Re: Should unemployment benefits be paid back by the recipients?

    Quote Originally Posted by fredmertz View Post
    According to this:

    The Unemployment Insurance Crisis &mdash; The American, A Magazine of Ideas

    in 30 states, unemployment payments have exceeded the amount paid out and they are now borrowing from the federal gov't.

    As an employee and taxpayer, I've already paid in my fair share. The unemployed have taken more than what was originally alotted to them. Who pays for the balance?
    It'll be paid back the way the funds were built initially: By employers and employees.

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