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Thread: Should unemployment benefits be paid back by the recipients?

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    Re: Should unemployment benefits be paid back by the recipients?

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    The government is already taking money from employees through deductions, which go into the unemployment fund. The debt is already owed by the government, not the employee who collects what he has already paid into.
    Yes. That is how the system is currently set up. But I'm asking, in hindsight, should this have been set up differently? I'm not asking about how it is funded for the regular benefits. I asked quite specifcally about the payouts that were "beyond the amount the national government had alotted for this program". This is a payout that we didn't intend when we set up the unemployment benefit program. Which means we don't have funds for the payouts, which is defined as debt - when you pay without having the funds. So who should have been on the hook for this debt? I know it is now the taxpayer, employers and employees, but was that the best system?

    I'm not asking what exists currently which is what you are explaining. I'm asking, why wouldn't we have done it in a way that I explained in my initial post.

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    Re: Should unemployment benefits be paid back by the recipients?

    Quote Originally Posted by fredmertz View Post
    He wrote 'should' - he's not explaining the current system, but rather what the system 'should' be in his ideals.
    you're right, and i disagree. employers SHOULD be required to pay into the fund as well.

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    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Should unemployment benefits be paid back by the recipients?

    After thinking about this, why not let the unemployed worker decide?
    Example: My unemployment benefits have run out. Let me decide to extend them for another six months with an interest-free non-dischargeable loan.
    I could vote for that. In fact, I think it's an excellent idea.

    So many times, unemployed people don't take jobs and stay unemployed because they don't want to be under-employed. Not that they can't find a job, but that they can't find one that pays as much as their last one....or that's out of their field...or whatever. Well, freely subsidize that person for a 6-month search, then allow the worker to make his own decision about extending them -- but any extension would be paid back. Yep. I like that.
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    Re: Should unemployment benefits be paid back by the recipients?

    Quote Originally Posted by fredmertz View Post
    You, as a gov't, force me as a citizen to put away an emergency fund (in essence) in case of unemployment? No way would I support that. It's my money. If I don't want an emergency fund, that's my choice. I'll suffer if the time comes and I'm unemployed (playing devil's advocate because I do have such a reserve, but I'm against the gov't forcing me to have it). So I vote no to your UESA plan.
    That's fine and I support your choice. If you do NOT do this and you become unemployed and spent all of your money - you lose everything, get no support from state, local or federal government, and you could end up starving in the street or dependent upon charity. But you're right... it's your choice. Or you could do something on your own as well in place of the UESA account. The bottom line is - no more government handouts on the backs of tax payers.

    And to the liblady: When unemployment benefits exceed employer and employee funds --- as was supported by the bill in Congress to extend benefits to 2 years... who pays for that? One way or another - the "haves" pay and the "have nots" receive.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Should unemployment benefits be paid back by the recipients?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    That's fine and I support your choice. If you do NOT do this and you become unemployed and spent all of your money - you lose everything, get no support from state, local or federal government, and you could end up starving in the street or dependent upon charity. But you're right... it's your choice. Or you could do something on your own as well in place of the UESA account. The bottom line is - no more government handouts on the backs of tax payers.

    And to the liblady: When unemployment benefits exceed employer and employee funds --- as was supported by the bill in Congress to extend benefits to 2 years... who pays for that? One way or another - the "haves" pay and the "have nots" receive.
    that's true. and under ordinary circumstances i would not want extensions of unemployment benefits, but these are hardly ordinary circumstances. it still makes me uncomfortable, though.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Should unemployment benefits be paid back by the recipients?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    After thinking about this, why not let the unemployed worker decide? I could vote for that. In fact, I think it's an excellent idea.

    So many times, unemployed people don't take jobs and stay unemployed because they don't want to be under-employed. Not that they can't find a job, but that they can't find one that pays as much as their last one....or that's out of their field...or whatever. Well, freely subsidize that person for a 6-month search, then allow the worker to make his own decision about extending them -- but any extension would be paid back. Yep. I like that.
    And when you cannot pay it back and you need another 6 months --- and another 6 months... ?? You pain the sunny day scenario fine---- who pays when it's not so sunny?

    Edit: Thinking about this some more --- who on earth would provide a load to an unemployed person?
    Last edited by Ockham; 07-12-10 at 01:42 PM.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Should unemployment benefits be paid back by the recipients?

    It is the responnsibility of every civilized country to help those less fortunate...for the "haves" to give to the "have nots." The problem doesn't lie there....it lies with the inevitable abuses.
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    Re: Should unemployment benefits be paid back by the recipients?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    It is the responnsibility of every civilized country to help those less fortunate...for the "haves" to give to the "have nots."
    Ahhh, then we disagree on the principal of where the problem lies. I disagree with your above statement.

    Perhaps it is the moral obligation of each citizen in a civilized country to help the unfortuante. I would be much more willing to give into that argument. But to say it's their responsibility and the government will force this moral obligation onto each person so that they no longer have a choice to be moral or immoral, is in itself immoral. You are taking away the individual's right to choose what they do with their own money.
    Last edited by fredmertz; 07-12-10 at 01:35 PM.

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    Re: Should unemployment benefits be paid back by the recipients?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    And when you cannot pay it back and you need another 6 months --- and another 6 months... ?? You pain the sunny day scenario fine---- who pays when it's not so sunny?
    Great point. There will need to be limitations to the amount they can borrow.

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    Re: Should unemployment benefits be paid back by the recipients?

    No


    If you are going to require people to payback the money received on unemployement, you might as well do away with unemployment insurance
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