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Is Taxation Slavery?

Is Taxation Slavery?

  • Yes

    Votes: 12 16.7%

  • No

    Votes: 53 73.6%

  • Other (Explain)

    Votes: 7 9.7%
  • Total voters
    72
LiberalAvenger said:
That's the way a representative government works. You vote for the people who you believe will make your life better and the people you agree with.

I am sure you will change your mind about it if the republicans gain a majority in the congress, again.

However that will do them no good because we now have a super majority factor to deal with because of the republicans abusing the filibuster. This will come back to haunt them. Karma's a bitch.
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remind me about which party-for the first time in history, blocked an appellate judge even though he was given the ABA's top rating and all four former living dem appointed solicitor generals supported his appointment.

in the long run, irresponsible spending and trying to buy the votes of people like you by pandering to class warfare is gonna hurt the dependent class the most. rich people can move or engage in tax avoidance strategies, Untalented and unproductive people are pretty much dependent on others
 
TurtleDude said:
remind me about which party-for the first time in history, blocked an appellate judge even though he was given the ABA's top rating and all four former living dem appointed solicitor generals supported his appointment.

in the long run, irresponsible spending and trying to buy the votes of people like you by pandering to class warfare is gonna hurt the dependent class the most. rich people can move or engage in tax avoidance strategies, Untalented and unproductive people are pretty much dependent on others
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People like me? Explain? What do you personally know about me. Is that like a Ross Perot, "You people"?

When you call me unproductive, it proves you know very little about me or my personal life to pass such a judgement.

I don't like to brag about my personal life or success in life but if I did you would be in for a big surprise because you are dead wrong about me.
 
Libertarians are really such clowns when it comes to taxation.. first they cry about taxes.. Then cut taxes for wealthy by implementing a flat income tax.. Which in turn actually raises taxation for the working poor who represent a larger percent of the population.. What a confused bunch of starry eye free market utopians.
 
Gabriel said:
Libertarians are really such clowns when it comes to taxation.. first they cry about taxes.. Then cut taxes for wealthy by implementing a flat income tax.. Which in turn actually raises taxation for the working poor who represent a larger percent of the population.. What a confused bunch of starry eye free market utopians.
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Who is that directed at?
 
The_Patriot said:
Who is that directed at?
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I clearly indicated libertarians. They are usually the first ones to make analogies comparing taxation to slavery or embezzlement. I would have thought that was self evident.
 
Gabriel said:
I clearly indicated libertarians. They are usually the first ones to make analogies comparing taxation to slavery or embezzlement. I would have thought that was self evident.
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Are you implying that I'm a libertarian? This is why I asked who you were directing your comment to.
 
I think you may be confusing libertarians with some other ideology.
 
The_Patriot said:
Are you implying that I'm a libertarian? This is why I asked who you were directing your comment to.
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Well it isn't unusual for someone who is "very conservative" to secretly be libertarian on cutting taxes,pro deregulation, decentralised small government etc.. if not you have my sincere apologies, I wouldn't admit to being one ether.
 
Gabriel said:
Well it isn't unusual for someone who is "very conservative" to secretly be libertarian on cutting taxes,pro deregulation, decentralised small government etc.. if not you have my sincere apologies, I wouldn't admit to being one ether.
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I'm a Constitutionalist and have said so many times. Being a Constitutionalist means that I don't follow the libertarian ideals of anarchism, but follow the ideals of the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of my state of residence. I believe that there should be a government because James Madison said it best, "If men were angels there would be no need for government."
 
I do not believe taxation to be a form of slavery. I base this on the idea of the social contract: people leave the state of nature and give rights to a government to maintain social order. I live in the United States. I have the right to leave the U.S. if I do not agree with the taxes. Yes, one could argue people are forced through coercion to pay taxes, but I also have the ability to work towards a tax system I agree with.
 
Helvidius said:
I do not believe taxation to be a form of slavery. I base this on the idea of the social contract: people leave the state of nature and give rights to a government to maintain social order. I live in the United States. I have the right to leave the U.S. if I do not agree with the taxes. Yes, one could argue people are forced through coercion to pay taxes, but I also have the ability to work towards a tax system I agree with.
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Show me this social contract because I never signed a contract. The rest of your statement is hyperbole.
 
ok.. fine it was a generalisation of which I am ashamed of, not really, but still a stereotype.
 
LiberalAvenger said:
People like me? Explain? What do you personally know about me. Is that like a Ross Perot, "You people"?

When you call me unproductive, it proves you know very little about me or my personal life to pass such a judgement.

I don't like to brag about my personal life or success in life but if I did you would be in for a big surprise because you are dead wrong about me.
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true you could really be a hard working payer of massive taxes who just pretends to support politicians pandering to those who think others owe them support. You might really be Karl Rove posting liberal blathering in order to make dems look bad.

anything is possible on a message board I suppose
 
Gabriel said:
Libertarians are really such clowns when it comes to taxation.. first they cry about taxes.. Then cut taxes for wealthy by implementing a flat income tax.. Which in turn actually raises taxation for the working poor who represent a larger percent of the population.. What a confused bunch of starry eye free market utopians.
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the rich pay way too much in taxes and those who are not rich use way more than they fairly pay for.

tell me why someone else has a duty to carry another peron's share of the load? what have those free loaders done for the net taxpayers that justifies sponging off of their labor?
 
The_Patriot said:
I'm a Constitutionalist and have said so many times. Being a Constitutionalist means that I don't follow the libertarian ideals of anarchism, but follow the ideals of the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of my state of residence. I believe that there should be a government because James Madison said it best, "If men were angels there would be no need for government."
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You follow the Constitution of the U.S. and of your respective state which, though on a national level calls for limited government, calls for a government nonetheless. The Constitution is a contract you yourself wrote you have agreed to. It is a social contract because the federal government receives its rights from you. By agreeing with the Constitution you consent to give the federal government certain powers (such as defense) rather than living in a world of anarchy.
 
TurtleDude said:
the rich pay way too much in taxes and those who are not rich use way more than they fairly pay for.

tell me why someone else has a duty to carry another peron's share of the load? what have those free loaders done for the net taxpayers that justifies sponging off of their labor?
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I think you've mistaken working poor for.. welfare bums, clearly an ignorant misunderstanding on your behalf.
 
TurtleDude said:
true you could really be a hard working payer of massive taxes who just pretends to support politicians pandering to those who think others owe them support. You might really be Karl Rove posting liberal blathering in order to make dems look bad.

anything is possible on a message board I suppose
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I agree my left wing friend.
 
Gabriel said:
I think you've mistaken working poor for.. welfare bums, clearly an ignorant misunderstanding on your behalf.
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I think you have no clue about what I think and you again are wrong. and plenty of the "working poor" don't pay nearly enough for what they use. IN fact almost all use more than they pay.
 
LiberalAvenger said:
I agree my left wing friend.
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lots of people say that because

1) I have no problem with gays adopting children or getting married or serving in most military roles openly and proudly

2) I think the war on drugs is a massive failure and a sinister and cynical ploy to rape our constitutional freedoms

3) I support abortion rights and think-as long as we pay for the healtcare of unwanted children, we ought to pay for abortions

4) I think bible thumpers are almost as idiotic as socialists and obama-slurpers
 
gmeyers1944 said:
We need to repeal the 16th Amendment to the Constitution. Replace it with "The Fair Tax"
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that would sure destroy the democrats' main way of pandering to the voters.
 
TurtleDude said:
I think you have no clue about what I think and you again are wrong. and plenty of the "working poor" don't pay nearly enough for what they use. IN fact almost all use more than they pay.
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Ah, well I can say with a large degree of certainty I loathe individuals with similar attitudes on these matters. I am sure the feeling is mutual.
 
Gabriel said:
Ah, well I can say with a large degree of certainty I loathe individuals with similar attitudes on these matters. I am sure the feeling is mutual.
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you have me confused with someone who cares who you loathes. You leave me alone and I will not think ill will of you. Demand that I pay your way, I will despise you. I cost you nothing and demand nothing of you. I merely ask the same in return
 
TurtleDude said:
you have me confused with someone who cares who you loathes. You leave me alone and I will not think ill will of you. Demand that I pay your way, I will despise you. I cost you nothing and demand nothing of you. I merely ask the same in return
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no .. no confusion. I am glad you don't dislike me. However I would likely spit on you if I met you in real life.
 
Gabriel said:
no .. no confusion. I am glad you don't dislike me. However I would likely spit on you if I met you in real life.
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sure you would. then I would have you arrested for assault and have some of the boys in the local pen teach you about domestic tranquility
 
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