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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    You're making a false statement since the government isn't exercising constitutional power now.
    I am not trying to make a point, I am trying to understand what you are outraged about.

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    It has exceeded the limits and constraints of the Constitution.
    Yes, you do feel that way, that is not what I am confused about.

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    Voting does not mean that you consent. It just means that you're participating in the process blindly.
    So, people do not research candidates before voting? Or do you mean blind in some other sense?

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    By not agreeing with the political system you are advocating change within the way the Constitution sets forth. There are many ways to effect change that you can consent to from the ballot box to the bullet box. Not that I advocate using the bullet box, since that is reserved for when a government has become so tyrannical that the only way to effect change is in that manner.
    Yes, I know you are not happy with the current state of government. This is not what I was asking about.

    Ok, none of that addressed my question. You said you did not give consent, but given that the consent to the constitution happend over 200 years ago, I am trying to figure out how you are supposed to give your consent since you were not alive at the time. Are you trying to say that no politician is supposed to do something unless you agree to it? If so, what about all the other citizens of the country? Surely all of them are never going to agree on the same things all the time.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Do you have trouble reading because I already stated what I didn't give consent to?

    It means that I never consented to the expansion of powers beyond the ones delegated in the Constitution like federal welfare and education.
    Is that so hard to understand?

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    Do you have trouble reading because I already stated what I didn't give consent to?

    Is that so hard to understand?
    Maybe I am misreading or something, but I am just trying to understand how it is even possible to give consent when the constitution was ratified before we were born. This is the system we inherited, not the system we gave consent to.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Maybe I am misreading or something, but I am just trying to understand how it is even possible to give consent when the constitution was ratified before we were born. This is the system we inherited, not the system we gave consent to.
    As I said before are you having trouble reading because I answered your question.

    When I stated consent you agreed to adhere to the political system. By not agreeing with the political system you are advocating change within the way the Constitution sets forth.
    Last edited by The_Patriot; 07-19-10 at 11:24 AM.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    As I said before are you having trouble reading because I answered your question?
    OK, the political system is the constitution, at least the constitution is the skeleton of it. It is fleshed out by various laws, judicial precedent, etc, but its supposed to be based on the constitution. I think we can both agree to that principal.

    I am not sure you mean by the term "the way the constitution sets forth"

    Are you simply saying that you don't like some of what the government is doing and you think it is unconstitutional? Well, I think most people have that opinion. I have a bit problem with stuff like the patriot act, for example.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    OK, the political system is the constitution, at least the constitution is the skeleton of it. It is fleshed out by various laws, judicial precedent, etc, but its supposed to be based on the constitution. I think we can both agree to that principal.

    I am not sure you mean by the term "the way the constitution sets forth"

    Are you simply saying that you don't like some of what the government is doing and you think it is unconstitutional? Well, I think most people have that opinion. I have a bit problem with stuff like the patriot act, for example.
    I already answered that question twice as a matter of fact.

    It means that I never consented to the expansion of powers beyond the ones delegated in the Constitution like federal welfare and education.

    It has exceeded the limits and constraints of the Constitution.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    I already answered that question twice as a matter of fact.
    I think you are just using different language than I am used to. For me, consent has connotations of legitimacy while you are simply speaking of preference. I am pretty sure that welfare programs and the federal department of education have had constitutional challenges in court, so their legitimacy already has been affirmed.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I think you are just using different language than I am used to. For me, consent has connotations of legitimacy while you are simply speaking of preference. I am pretty sure that welfare programs and the federal department of education have had constitutional challenges in court, so their legitimacy already has been affirmed.
    I don't look to politicians nor bureaucrats nor judges since they have a consistent disregard of the limitations in the Constitution. Just because they say it is alright doesn't make it so, especially considering that the Constitution is written in plain english that anyone can understand.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    I don't look to politicians nor bureaucrats nor judges since they have a consistent disregard of the limitations in the Constitution. Just because they say it is alright doesn't make it so, especially considering that the Constitution is written in plain english that anyone can understand.
    Everyone is entitled to their own view of the constitution, so if that is yours, that is cool.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    I made a typo. I was not talking about social security and did not try to connect it to the 13th amendment typo.
    Really.
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-con...post1058859104
    Originally Posted by Goobieman
    So you agree that the CD/GWC gives Congress the power to spend revenue to that effect, but not the power to create the legislation necessary to achieve that effect.
    Good.
    The 13th amendment does that.
    Explain how my interpretation of my response is in error.

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