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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    lots of people say that because

    1) I have no problem with gays adopting children or getting married or serving in most military roles openly and proudly

    2) I think the war on drugs is a massive failure and a sinister and cynical ploy to rape our constitutional freedoms

    3) I support abortion rights and think-as long as we pay for the healtcare of unwanted children, we ought to pay for abortions

    4) I think bible thumpers are almost as idiotic as socialists and obama-slurpers
    I agree on 1 and 2 but I disagree on 3 and 4.

    I believe that life starts at conception. Personally my wife and I are both against abortions. We think it is a horrible thing. I notice that a lot of women who had abortions when they were young suffer in their later years from the guilt it inflicts upon them. Having said that I am against a lot of the tactics used by anti-abortion foes, especially the violence and intimidation tactics used to foist their beliefs on others. To me the better tactic would be to use science and common sense in these matters and to help unwed mothers with monetary and social support to help raise their children.

    I would add the word "some" to your sentence. Not all bible thumpers are what you say they are. The good they do often out weighs the bad but the good they do often goes unreported. Religion is a little bit like sh!t. It can cause e-coli and make you sick or it can be used for fertilizer in order to make the flowers grow.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helvidius View Post
    You follow the Constitution of the U.S. and of your respective state which, though on a national level calls for limited government, calls for a government nonetheless. The Constitution is a contract you yourself wrote you have agreed to. It is a social contract because the federal government receives its rights from you. By agreeing with the Constitution you consent to give the federal government certain powers (such as defense) rather than living in a world of anarchy.
    First, the federal government has violated the Constitution by getting involved in things it shouldn't be. Since it has violated the Constitution then it becomes null and void because I never consented to it doing the things it does. Governments do not have rights, but powers delegated. I never delegated the powers that the federal government uses that are beyond the powers in the Constitution. A social contract is a myth.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    First, the federal government has violated the Constitution by getting involved in things it shouldn't be. Since it has violated the Constitution then it becomes null and void because I never consented to it doing the things it does. Governments do not have rights, but powers delegated. I never delegated the powers that the federal government uses that are beyond the powers in the Constitution. A social contract is a myth.
    What the heck is that bold statement even supposed to mean? Were you alive during the ratification of the constitution or something?

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    What the heck is that bold statement even supposed to mean? Were you alive during the ratification of the constitution or something?
    It means that I never consented to the expansion of powers beyond the ones delegated in the Constitution like federal welfare and education.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    It means that I never consented to the expansion of powers beyond the ones delegated in the Constitution like federal welfare and education.
    Ok. I am confused, as far as I can tell, you never consented to anything since the constitution was well established law way before you were born.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Ok. I am confused, as far as I can tell, you never consented to anything since the constitution was well established law way before you were born.
    One can give consent once they acheive the age of majority that this is how they would like to live and the government to operate.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    One can give consent once they acheive the age of majority that this is how they would like to live and the government to operate.
    So you are talking about voting?

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    So you are talking about voting?
    I don't even know where you came up with that idea. Did I say anything about voting?

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    I don't even know where you came up with that idea. Did I say anything about voting?
    Well, by voting, you are giving consent to a politician to be in power. The politician is one of the officials in the government that exercises constitutional power. Honestly, I am trying to figure out what you are going on about, and this is the closest thing I can come up with.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Well, by voting, you are giving consent to a politician to be in power. The politician is one of the officials in the government that exercises constitutional power. Honestly, I am trying to figure out what you are going on about, and this is the closest thing I can come up with.
    You're making a false statement since the government isn't exercising constitutional power now. It has exceeded the limits and constraints of the Constitution. Voting does not mean that you consent. It just means that you're participating in the process blindly. When I stated consent you agreed to adhere to the political system. By not agreeing with the political system you are advocating change within the way the Constitution sets forth. There are many ways to effect change that you can consent to from the ballot box to the bullet box. Not that I advocate using the bullet box, since that is reserved for when a government has become so tyrannical that the only way to effect change is in that manner.

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