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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you have me confused with someone who cares who you loathes. You leave me alone and I will not think ill will of you. Demand that I pay your way, I will despise you. I cost you nothing and demand nothing of you. I merely ask the same in return
    I am sure you would demand a fair system of cooperation. Actually I think that is what you are arguing for. Strange, since that is exactly how I would justify a progressive tax system.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by drz-400 View Post
    I am sure you would demand a fair system of cooperation. Actually I think that is what you are arguing for. Strange, since that is exactly how I would justify a progressive tax system.
    you really cannot justify a progressive tax system unless you operate under the delusion that the government owns all the wealth or that the rich really use government services at a thousand or more times the level of the average voter.

    but try your best-I will read your answer in the morning



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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    This is becoming rather childish.......Its a sign of maturity that men get along, even like each other despite completely opposing philosophys..
    As to being independent, thats great when all is well, but what happens if cancer strikes, or you live in Detroit or New Orleans???
    Man was made to be a social creature, a socialist if you will. And as he matures and grows, he will be more socialistic.
    Europe, even Canada are decades ahead of us...
    Taxes, from my social security and pension I still pay over $1,000 annually in school and local taxes. Our tax system works well, many of our wealthy may not like it, but then, Ebenezer Scrooge did not like very much either..
    I was hoping you could clarify some of your assertions in the quote: Europe and Canada are ahead of the U.S. in what? What do you mean by "Man was made to be a social creature"?

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    I'm a Constitutionalist and have said so many times. Being a Constitutionalist means that I don't follow the libertarian ideals of anarchism, but follow the ideals of the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of my state of residence. I believe that there should be a government because James Madison said it best, "If men were angels there would be no need for government."
    In bold. Excellent quote. This DOES separate you from the more extreme and anarchy minded libertarians.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    In bold. Excellent quote. This DOES separate you from the more extreme and anarchy minded libertarians.
    Why thank you for the compliment. James Madison, Patrick Henry,Thomas Paine, and Thomas Jefferson are my favorite founding fathers and firmly believe in the Declaration of Independence, Constitution of the United States, and the Bill of Rights. I have no faith in politicians and career bureaucrats.
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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    Why thank you for the compliment. James Madison, Patrick Henry, and Thomas Jefferson are my founding fathers and firmly believe in the Declaration of Independence, Constitution of the United States, and the Bill of Rights. I have no faith in politicians and career beaurucrats.
    Of the founders, I usually adhere to the positions of Hamilton, Madison, John Adams, and Franklin. Probably closest to Hamilton. Not everything each of them stood for, but a nice mix.

    And I too have no faith in career politicians.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Of the founders, I usually adhere to the positions of Hamilton, Madison, John Adams, and Franklin. Probably closest to Hamilton. Not everything each of them stood for, but a nice mix.

    And I too have no faith in career politicians.
    I ignore Hamilton and Adams because I disagree with their political philosophy at the core level. Franklin had some really good ideas and was a moderate between the Federalists and Anti-Federalists. He really tried his best to mediate between the monarcists and the federalists at the Philadelphia Convention, which I really liked. His contributions as a diplomat are worth the kudos alone.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    I ignore Hamilton and Adams because I disagree with their political philosophy at the core level. Franklin had some really good ideas and was a moderate between the Federalists and Anti-Federalists. He really tried his best to mediate between the monarcists and the federalists at the Philadelphia Convention, which I really liked. His contributions as a diplomat are worth the kudos alone.
    The reason that you ignore Hamilton and Adams is why I ignore Henry and pay little attention to Jefferson. Just our differences in political philosophy I suppose. And I wholeheartedly agree with you about Franklin. Possibly our greatest diplomat and a supreme mediator between opposing factions, because he never held a Cabinet Post, his importance is often forgotten. I especially liked his equalitarian ideals on religion and his thoughts on morality, philosophy, and the human condition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    The reason that you ignore Hamilton and Adams is why I ignore Henry and pay little attention to Jefferson. Just our differences in political philosophy I suppose. And I wholeheartedly agree with you about Franklin. Possibly our greatest diplomat and a supreme mediator between opposing factions, because he never held a Cabinet Post, his importance is often forgotten. I especially liked his equalitarian ideals on religion and his thoughts on morality, philosophy, and the human condition.
    I wouldn't say that his importance is forgotten due to never having a cabinet post. I would say that his other contributions overshadowed his diplomacy. Contributions like the discovery of electricity, founder of the first public library, founder of the post office, driving force behind early inventions in the colonies, and his inventions plus his publications all overshadow what he did as a mediator and diplomat. Although, the one point of ridicule he always gets is his choice for the national bird being the turkey. I do agree with him that the turkey is one of the most noblist and prettiest of birds while the eagle is nothing more than a pretty looking scavanger.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    I wouldn't say that his importance is forgotten due to never having a cabinet post. I would say that his other contributions overshadowed his diplomacy. Contributions like the discovery of electricity, founder of the first public library, founder of the post office, driving force behind early inventions in the colonies, and his inventions plus his publications all overshadow what he did as a mediator and diplomat. Although, the one point of ridicule he always gets is his choice for the national bird being the turkey. I do agree with him that the turkey is one of the most noblist and prettiest of birds while the eagle is nothing more than a pretty looking scavanger.
    Good point. His importance as a political figure is overshadowed by his importance as an inventor and innovator.

    And don't talk to me about turkeys. I have a small society of wild turkeys that live in my backyard and gobble real early in the morning waking me up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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