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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    If people don't voluntary purchase it then they won't receive the service.
    That would work out real well in an area with a large urban population.

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    Yes they would have liability if he caused the fire then he would be responsible for any damages incurred on the property of others which could be settled through tort procedure in private arbitration.
    What if the fire was accidental? What if a person did not have the money to pay for police or road use?

    Dude, it can't work. This is not the 1800's anymore.
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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    Appeal to emotion logical fallacy. You haven't presented any facts. You did present your rhetoric and opinion though. Saying I'm wrong and proving it are two different things.
    An appeal to logic and rule of law.

    Your argument is as weak as your "opinion."

    But then again I knew when I put it all out at one time you could not even hope to reply.

    It is a lose, lose situation for you.
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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    If it's not the government's job then whose job is it? Sheriff South was the government agent and Pottle suffered violence at the hands of the mob after Sheriff South refused to intervene to protect Pottle. This leaves only Pottle in this case to defend himself. The court was quite clear that Pottle should have defended himself instead of relying upon Sheriff South. This set the precendent that the police are under no obligation to protect you or your property since it is your responsibility. I can add in more current cases if you'd like that further reinforces my statements.
    The only precedent that the case set was that the police cannot be held liable if they do not help in such a situation. I read the court case. Everything you are saying is nothing but implication.
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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    That would work out real well in a area with a large urban population.
    It would actually, entire communities would hire these private security firms just as many communities today hire private security for gated communities, the free rider problem would be worked out through dominant assurance contracts.

    What if the fire was accidental?
    He would still have liability the same as if your brakes fail and you accidently ram into the car in front of you you still assume liability.


    What if a person did not have the money to pay for police
    He would still be protected by the security firms which were hired through dominant assurance contracts to police the community. He would technically be a free rider but again the free rider problem would be solved through dominant assurance contracts.

    or road use?
    Then he'll have to find another means of transportation. FYI we already have toll roads in this country, except the money goes to the state and the citizenry still had to pay the taxes to build the road in the first place not to mention they are paying for roads that they have not and may never even use.

    Dude, it can't work. This is not the 1800's anymore.
    Actually we didn't have an advanced market economy in the 1800's so if anything it has a better chance of working.
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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    The only precedent that the case set was that the police cannot be held liable if they do not help in such a situation. I read the court case. Everything you are saying is nothing but implication.
    Since you insist I give you the ruling from Warren v. District of Columbia, "fundamental principle of American law that a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any individual citizen." An expansion of the original South v. Maryland case. Are you sure you really want to continue with this since my statement is true?

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    It would actually, entire communities would hire these private security firms just as many communities today hire private security for gated communities, the free rider problem would be worked out through dominant assurance contracts.

    He would still have liability the same as if your brakes fail and you accidently ram into the car in front of you you still assume liability.

    He would still be protected by the security firms which were hired through dominant assurance contracts to police the community. He would technically be a free rider but again the free rider problem would be solved through dominant assurance contracts.

    Then he'll have to find another means of transportation. FYI we already have toll roads in this country, except the money goes to the state and the citizenry still had to pay the taxes to build the road in the first place not to mention they are paying for roads that they have not and may never even use.

    Actually we didn't have an advanced market economy in the 1800's so if anything it has a better chance of working.
    This is why I never could stand the libertarian party. Unrealistic expectations.

    And then they wonder why they are seen as a joke by the other parties.

    It can't work in our society, and it never will or happen. It is fantasy.
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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    Since you insist I give you the ruling from Warren v. District of Columbia, "fundamental principle of American law that a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any individual citizen." An expansion of the original South v. Maryland case. Are you sure you really want to continue with this since my statement is true?
    That implies then that the individual is responsible. It does not dictate it. This ruling, as in South v. Maryland does nothing by indicate that the police are not liable if they do not or refuse to protect you. Same result as before. Your statement is an implication, not a fact.
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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    This is why I never could stand the libertarian party. Unrealistic expectations.

    And then they wonder why they are seen as a joke by the other parties.

    It can't work in our society, and it never will or happen. It is fantasy.
    Libertarians... extreme ones, tend to argue from theoretical positions, not recognizing the connections between all things. Mostly, their positions are not based in reality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    That implies then that the individual is responsible. It does not dictate it. This ruling, as in South v. Maryland does nothing by indicate that the police are not liable if they do not or refuse to protect you. Same result as before. Your statement is an implication, not a fact.
    It states it because the police or other government services are not there to provide service to any one individual. That leaves only the individual themself to provide for their protection. In any event, the government is not there to provide any service, but it is up to the individual to ensure for their own safety and protection of their property even when many Constitutions say that the chief design of good government is to secure the rights and property of the people. You can twist it all you like and ignore the other party involved in these suits brought before the Supreme Court. I frankly don't care.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Libertarians... extreme ones, tend to argue from theoretical positions, not recognizing the connections between all things. Mostly, their positions are not based in reality.
    Well, it would help if you could identify what makes one a libertarian. I'm not a libertarian, since I'm a Constitutionalist. A very strict one at that. My positions are based upon reality and historical fact.

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