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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    Don't flatter yourself with an adjective like "thinker".
    No need to-your hatred is all the pedigree I need.

    still waiting for an answer--



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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    true you could really be a hard working payer of massive taxes who just pretends to support politicians pandering to those who think others owe them support. You might really be Karl Rove posting liberal blathering in order to make dems look bad.

    anything is possible on a message board I suppose
    Like Bill Gates, Paul Allen and Warren Buffet?
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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    No need to-your hatred is all the pedigree I need.

    still waiting for an answer--
    There is little good to be said from anyone who exists to serve their self interests exclusively. Generally known to be greedy and spiteful of all around them. Looking down their noses as though they could never have ended up in such petty existence as so many who surround them. They create a false sense of purpose with this sentiment and moral judgements on others. It is a system where by you consider yourself better then someone while you live. In the end though your just more carbon to be recycled.

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    Sixteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The Sixteenth Amendment (Amendment XVI) to the United States Constitution allows the Congress to levy an income tax without apportioning it among the states or basing it on Census results. This amendment exempted income taxes from the constitutional requirements regarding direct taxes, after income taxes on rents, dividends, and interest were ruled to be direct taxes in Pollock v. Farmers' Loan & Trust Co. (1895).

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    One doesn't need an MBA or some other degree to understand they wouldn't like someone from what they say.
    This is becoming rather childish.......Its a sign of maturity that men get along, even like each other despite completely opposing philosophys..
    As to being independent, thats great when all is well, but what happens if cancer strikes, or you live in Detroit or New Orleans???
    Man was made to be a social creature, a socialist if you will. And as he matures and grows, he will be more socialistic.
    Europe, even Canada are decades ahead of us...
    Taxes, from my social security and pension I still pay over $1,000 annually in school and local taxes. Our tax system works well, many of our wealthy may not like it, but then, Ebenezer Scrooge did not like very much either..

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Like Bill Gates, Paul Allen and Warren Buffet?
    the uber rich like high taxes since it kills off those aspiring to be ultra wealthy. It also frees up property that normally would remain in the same family's hands for generations. They can afford that tax and they ingratiate themselves to the masses with such self serving BS.

    one of the things libs and welfare socialists do is to confuse the wealthy with the uber rich and assume they are the same and thus try to treat them the same. taking half of a 2-10 million dollar estate is gonna permanently diminish that estate unless the heir lives a very long time and is lucky. the death confiscation tax hitting an estate of 10 billion is not going to change the lifestyle of the heir at all and it will regenerate itself in his normal lifespan



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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    There is little good to be said from anyone who exists to serve their self interests exclusively. Generally known to be greedy and spiteful of all around them. Looking down their noses as though they could never have ended up in such petty existence as so many who surround them. They create a false sense of purpose with this sentiment and moral judgements on others. It is a system where by you consider yourself better then someone while you live. In the end though your just more carbon to be recycled.

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    Sixteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    more nonsense--you confuse supporting welfare socialism with being generous. Of course many like you think by supporting tax hikes you have no other duty to help your fellow man

    the sixteenth and seventeenth amendments started the decline of America and the balance of power between the states and the federal government.



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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the uber rich like high taxes since it kills off those aspiring to be ultra wealthy. It also frees up property that normally would remain in the same family's hands for generations. They can afford that tax and they ingratiate themselves to the masses with such self serving BS.
    So the uber rich are in a conspiracy with the government to squash all new commers? Excuse me I need to step out, fall over and laugh my guts out.

    one of the things libs and welfare socialists do is to confuse the wealthy with the uber rich and assume they are the same and thus try to treat them the same. taking half of a 2-10 million dollar estate is gonna permanently diminish that estate unless the heir lives a very long time and is lucky.
    Who the hell lets their estate larger then the exemption get taxed in that range? Hello? Ever heard of trusts? Spousal exemptions? For some reason, you think the rich are soooooo stupid they can't plan to reduce taxes despite them being the very people who pay big bucks to ensure minimal taxation. A $10 million estate can easily be reduced to minimal estate taxation if any through proper planning. The harder estate are those past $50 million into triple digit millions.

    the death confiscation tax hitting an estate of 10 billion is not going to change the lifestyle of the heir at all and it will regenerate itself in his normal lifespan
    Fair enough. But you harping on the relatively small taxable estates suggests your friends are bloody idiots when it comes to estate planning.
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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    So the uber rich are in a conspiracy with the government to squash all new commers? Excuse me I need to step out, fall over and laugh my guts out.



    Who the hell lets their estate larger then the exemption get taxed in that range? Hello? Ever heard of trusts? Spousal exemptions? For some reason, you think the rich are soooooo stupid they can't plan to reduce taxes despite them being the very people who pay big bucks to ensure minimal taxation. A $10 million estate can easily be reduced to minimal estate taxation if any through proper planning. The harder estate are those past $50 million into triple digit millions.



    Fair enough. But you harping on the relatively small taxable estates suggests your friends are bloody idiots when it comes to estate planning.
    the people hurt are those whose land has increased since their father bought it and these people don't have that sort of sophistication

    tell me why should people have to spend thousands of dollars on trusts and legal advice and other actions there should be no tax on estates.

    I am glad the dems want to stick it to the unsophisticated heirs while allowing the Kennedys to keep their estates in tact

    and if you are so stupid as to believe that Buffett or gates are doing anything altruistic rather than to gain public support I'd suggest you get an education rather quickly.

    tell me why those two fans of big estate taxes plan on avoiding the tax altogether



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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the people hurt are those whose land has increased since their father bought it and these people don't have that sort of sophistication
    Uh, there are people in law and accounting who can help them. Failure to get help is no excuse. Furthermore, they could easily do a land conservation donation and eliminate taxes. That's what it's designed for. Bush got Congress to enact a series of overly generous land conservation donations to help out some of his big donators. Your friends could have easily done that and still maintained use of the land.

    tell me why should people have to spend thousands of dollars on trusts and legal advice and other actions there should be no tax on estates.
    I dunno, because I hate the snobbery of trust fund babies? Estate taxation serves as an incentive to do something good with the money.

    and if you are so stupid as to believe that Buffett or gates are doing anything altruistic rather than to gain public support I'd suggest you get an education rather quickly.
    I don't care why they are doing it. But they are doing it.

    tell me why those two fans of big estate taxes plan on avoiding the tax altogether
    So you do believe in a conspiracy?
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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    Don't flatter yourself with an adjective like "thinker".
    When a person runs out of arguments, he attacks personally.

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