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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

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    do you think-as a GENERAL MATTER-we have too much or too little federal government?
    In general, I think we have too much federal government, but only because what we have is, in a lot of cases, inefficient. I have little problem wth the groups, organizations, and departments. IMO, I think that a lot of them tend to be run inefficently, with little streamlining and with little coordination. Similar to a lot of large corporations I've dealt with.
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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    "If you dont like paying income taxes, stop making an income." Super, what a smarty! If you don't make income, you are committing suicide. If you have committed suicide, you are no longer a slave. Then "You wont be whipped, beaten or hamstrung by your master
    As a slave". There is one exception, however. If you don't make income by working, in America, you can force the government to force for you. Then, master, you don't even have to whip, beat, or hamstrung anyone but enjoy a tax free monthly income-the welfare check. Who said such life is not better than that of the slave owners in the old time?

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    old guy farmers

    lots of land

    not making much money

    old man dies

    estate is worth several million since land value has gone way up

    children sell farm because they don't have the cash to pay the estate tax since land wasn't generating much income.

    big developers buy up land
    Inheritance taxes disgust me.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Is taxation slavery? It depends. If tax money is used for public safety and well being, it is not. If it is used for "rescuing" someone who does not have to work but just stays at home to pop bustards, or if it is used to pay someone who works 1/3 of a "job" but gets full time pay, you bet it is salvery.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Okay here is a response to whoever (I forgot).

    Private Charity vs the Welfare State | P.a.p.-Blog, Human Rights Etc.

    From the article/blog: " Private charitable giving to the poor, defined in narrow terms, runs in the range of $10 to $15 billion a year [in the U.S.], and few observers believe that this sum is capable of significant augmentation in the short run, regardless of government policy. Tyler Cowen (source)"

    "Private charities 10 to 15 billion per year." Compare that to government aid.

    That's a start. Sorry if it took so long but my posts are usually worth waiting for.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Here is some more research about private charity and gov, so called, welfare.

    Private Versus Collectivized Charity: Further Explorations Of The Crowding Out Debate

    Let the games begin. Hail Caesar!

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    private charity doesn't result in government power increasing. "government charity" is designed to buy the votes of the dependent and to empower those who promise more government expansion and spending.



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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    private charity doesn't result in government power increasing. "government charity" is designed to buy the votes of the dependent and to empower those who promise more government expansion and spending.
    That's the way a representative government works. You vote for the people who you believe will make your life better and the people you agree with.

    I am sure you will change your mind about it if the republicans gain a majority in the congress, again.

    However that will do them no good because we now have a super majority factor to deal with because of the republicans abusing the filibuster. This will come back to haunt them. Karma's a bitch.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    Okay here is a response to whoever (I forgot).

    Private Charity vs the Welfare State | P.a.p.-Blog, Human Rights Etc.

    From the article/blog: " Private charitable giving to the poor, defined in narrow terms, runs in the range of $10 to $15 billion a year [in the U.S.], and few observers believe that this sum is capable of significant augmentation in the short run, regardless of government policy. Tyler Cowen (source)"

    "Private charities 10 to 15 billion per year." Compare that to government aid.

    That's a start. Sorry if it took so long but my posts are usually worth waiting for.

    A quote from an internet social darwinist: "Charity is itself a selfish act. There is no true altruism that Ayn Rand has so much contempt for."

    Of course you will probably kill the messenger.
    Your source is out of date by about 10 years. The paper was written in 2000 and uses cites from 1980 and earlier. Newer statistics show the following: According to Giving USA, American giving reach a record high in 2007, with donations totaling $314-billion. Giving has since dropped by 2% to $308 billion in 2008.2 Link Keep in mind that taxes and inflation went up so people had less money to spend due to the recession. There was also changes in the law regarding how much a person could donate to a charity and get a deduction. The federal government spent 415.21 billion dollars in 2007 and 485.96 billion dollars in 2008. Link
    Last edited by The_Patriot; 07-18-10 at 12:20 PM.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    Your source is out of date by about 10 years. The paper was written in 2000 and uses cites from 1980 and earlier. Newer statistics show the following: According to Giving USA, American giving reach a record high in 2007, with donations totaling $314-billion. Giving has since dropped by 2% to $308 billion in 2008.2 Link Keep in mind that taxes and inflation went up so people had less money to spend due to the recession. There was also changes in the law regarding how much a person could donate to a charity and get a deduction. The federal government spent 415.21 billion dollars in 2007 and 485.96 billion dollars in 2008. Link

    Ok, that's cool..

    Charitable contributions are a little less than half. What would happen to people without the other half?

    Also the government helps private charities with tax write offs which I have no complaints about.

    However, there are charitable organizations, such as Pat Robertson of the Christian Coalition who became billionaires of of non profit ventures. People who profit too much from charity often claim that God is blessing them for their good work.

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