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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    The first step I would take is to try every member of the government for treason for failing to uphold their oath. That would be reasonable. Actually, the most reasonable action to take is to be apathetic since the ballot box isn't working. Let the government fail and the states separate.
    OK... so you don't want to discuss what could actually occur. Good to know.
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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    The reality is that nothing short of drastic measures will fix the problems. The only realistic solution is to be apathetic and watch the government fall apart.
    watching things fall apart isn't a very good option though we have plenty of food, and more ammunition



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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    OK... so you don't want to discuss what could actually occur. Good to know.
    I actually did discuss what could actually occur. Nothing is going to change, so only realistic alternative is for the government to go bankrupt and collapse.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    watching things fall apart isn't a very good option though we have plenty of food, and more ammunition
    Neither is turning into a place where you are taxed to death and put into prison for failing to pay taxes with the government reigning supreme.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I like your thinking but C2 is correct

    lets stick with reality. lets get more judges who take the tenth amendment seriously and strike down the health care bill as violating the tenth amendment as the Supremes held in Lopez and partially in Prinz (striking down the mandate portion of the brady background check bill forcing the states to pay for it)

    rule as unconstitutional future power grabs by congress and gradually reign in the unconstitutional power grabs that have already taken place.
    I think some of these things will be difficult because of the "Necessary and Proper" clause. These two things are in direct opposition to each other, and SCOTUS has usually ruled towards the "Necessary and Proper" clause rather than the 10th.

    strike down the cap and trade nonsense if it is passed-again its clearly improper.
    I would rather see a different kind of federal management of emissions.

    eliminate the death confiscation tax
    Do you mean inheritance tax? If so... you're doing it again. I would agree, though.
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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I think some of these things will be difficult because of the "Necessary and Proper" clause. These two things are in direct opposition to each other, and SCOTUS has usually ruled towards the "Necessary and Proper" clause rather than the 10th.



    I would rather see a different kind of federal management of emissions.



    Do you mean inheritance tax? If so... you're doing it again. I would agree, though.
    we have had way too many statist judges on the supreme court

    I call it a death confiscation tax because that is what it does. do you know what is the biggest cause of god awful subdivisions where I live?

    the death confiscation tax.



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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    we have had way too many statist judges on the supreme court
    I'm 100% certain that you and I would disagree on whether this was a good or a bad thing.

    I call it a death confiscation tax because that is what it does. do you know what is the biggest cause of god awful subdivisions where I live?

    the death confiscation tax.
    What do you mean?
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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Is 100% taxation slavery? Yes and no. You're not being forced to work, but you are denied the fruits of your labor, just like a slave. So you kind of are at 100%, and less and less so at lower rates.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I'm 100% certain that you and I would disagree on whether this was a good or a bad thing.



    What do you mean?
    old guy farmers

    lots of land

    not making much money

    old man dies

    estate is worth several million since land value has gone way up

    children sell farm because they don't have the cash to pay the estate tax since land wasn't generating much income.

    big developers buy up land



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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I think some of these things will be difficult because of the "Necessary and Proper" clause. These two things are in direct opposition to each other, and SCOTUS has usually ruled towards the "Necessary and Proper" clause rather than the 10th.



    I would rather see a different kind of federal management of emissions.



    Do you mean inheritance tax? If so... you're doing it again. I would agree, though.
    do you think-as a GENERAL MATTER-we have too much or too little federal government?



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