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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Ya because every Communist society has not used slave labour on a massive scale. In actuality capitalism and slavery are mutually exlusive concepts, because the basic premise of capitalism is that the means of production are privately owned whether that be a factory or the human body. Under a truly capitalist sytem the individual is owner of his own body and has exclusive rights to control over and use of all services, goods, and capital generated through the labour of that body.
    uhh. .in a communist society their wouldn't be any slavery. I can't argue that there are any communist countries I have ever known. All models in history have used currency in one form or other while true communism is cashless. However they may be cashless they are enfranchised by the state, as such they are working for self benefit as well as collective benefit. Though individual gain is sacrificed to a large degree it would not indicate slavery. Working for the economic gain of someone else without personal economic gain is slavery if no wealth is transfered in the contract between buisness and employee. It was the southern cotton farmers that benefited mostly in recent history from slavery. Again though slaves are not paid.. even in a capitalist economy. The cost of labour is the primary expense in any business.
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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    There is a difference between a theoretical communist society, and what a communist society actually becomes. In a theoretical communist society, slavery could not possibly occur. However, because of human psychology, this kind of pure communism is not possible. That's why, pretty much all communist societies become either oligarchies or dictatorships, usually the latter.
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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    Claiming victory and proving it are two different things. You haven't proven your position and refuse to do so. How typical.
    Its not my fault if you do not accept my proof

    But I guess I can see where you would be confused since you cannot be consistent in what you are asking me for.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I think I already did. If it is different, please clarify.
    This is from another thread and I put it here where it belongs to avoid confusion.

    Funny, but you'd be wrong on what I think about taxation. I do not view indirect taxation, as specified in the pre-16th Amendment Constitution as slavery nor do I view it as stealing. I do view direct taxation to be slavery since the gains of your own industry do not belong to you, but the government. I also view the current taxing schemes that violate the the taxing specified in the pre-16th Amendment Constitution as illegal.
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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Its not my fault if you do not accept my proof

    But I guess I can see where you would be confused since you cannot be consistent in what you are asking me for.
    Your proof doesn't cite sources so no it's not good enough.

    Projecting I see.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    This is from another thread and I put it here where it belongs to avoid confusion.

    Funny, but you'd be wrong on what I think about taxation. I do not view indirect taxation, as specified in the pre-16th Amendment Constitution as slavery nor do I view it as stealing. I do view direct taxation to be slavery since the gains of your own industry do not belong to you, but the government. I also view the current taxing schemes that violate the the taxing specified in the pre-16th Amendment Constitution as illegal.
    Like I said "taxation=slavery". You gonne try that 13th Amendment case? I check for it in the papers.
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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Like I said "taxation=slavery". You gonne try that 13th Amendment case? I check for it in the papers.
    Hyperbole so not worth the time to actually come up with a reply beyond this.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    Hyperbole so not worth the time to actually come up with a reply beyond this.
    Taxation=slavery is in and of itself hyperbole. Responding to hyperbole with anything else gives credence to the position. It has no credence, so I responded accordingly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    If you think it is slavery, then start a lawsuit based on a violation of your 13th Amendment rights. Go see how far that gets you.
    if all claims were only righteous based on what a corrupted US Court system would do this board would be boring and this country doomed. For example, Taney's decision with Dred Scott would have precluded Frederick Douglas from arguing that slavery was wrong and blacks would have never been able to claim separate but "equal" was unjust.

    Or given most courts-gays shouldn't discuss getting married.

    the fact is, one can make an honest argument that when more than half of your income is taken by taxes (it is for anyone in the top bracket) you are a slave to the government to some extent. true, you aren't being beaten, scourged or imprisoned so its technically not the same that Africans were subjected to 200 years ago



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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Taxation=slavery is in and of itself hyperbole. Responding to hyperbole with anything else gives credence to the position. It has no credence, so I responded accordingly.
    First, you're misattributing what I actually by saying that all taxation is slavery. I never said that, so if you don't mind provide proof of where I actually said that all taxation is slavery. Secondly, the part I did say was slavery was not hyperbole, but an opinion based upon the fact that we have the right to the gains of our own industry. It's actually protected under Missouri Constitution under Section II and it applies to me since I live in Missouri. Based off this legal fact, yes, 90% taxation is slavery since the government enjoys the gains of my own industry while I do not.

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