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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Slavery was always a tool of capitalistic interest. Clearly free labour is best. This argument is flawed in that slavery requires no wages to be paid to said slaves.. slaves can't pay taxes.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    If you mean the link that was in your initial response, there was no data there. Data would be some sort of financial accounting that would show a zero balance when comparing the monies presented by charitable organizations to the money required by the financially handicapped. I saw no link that provided that kind of comprehensive information. If I missed it, please direct me to it.
    I would request you to do the same then for the government expenditures onto welfare.

    All these charities must meet the Combined Federal Campaign’s 10 accountability standards. These standards include low overhead: generally under 25%. (We tell you how much each charity spends on overhead.)
    Link According that webpage to be a top choice for charity that the overhead has to be 25% or less of all money coming in. This puts the ratio of the charities there at 75 cents going out to people who need it and 25 cents going to overhead. What's the ratio for the government?

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    I would request you to do the same then for the government expenditures onto welfare.
    Unless you can find the post where I made that claim, I have no reason to do that. It's not my position, anyway.

    Link According that webpage to be a top choice for charity that the overhead has to be 25% or less of all money coming in. This puts the ratio of the charities there at 75 cents going out to people who need it and 25 cents going to overhead. What's the ratio for the government?
    That does not even address your position. We are talking about whether charity can match, financially, the needs of the financially handicapped. I await a link to the accounting data that shows this.
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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Unless you can find the post where I made that claim, I have no reason to do that. It's not my position, anyway.

    That does not even address your position. We are talking about whether charity can match, financially, the needs of the financially handicapped. I await a link to the accounting data that shows this.
    In short, you'll do nothing required of you to prove your position. I guess this means that your contribution is at an end and I can ignore your comments from now on regarding the actual debate. I will still pay attention to your comments made as a moderator. I have provided data that shows that for every dollar given to charity that 75 cents goes out to the people that need it. You have yet to produce anything. Good day to you.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    In short, you'll do nothing required of you to prove your position. I guess this means that your contribution is at an end and I can ignore your comments from now on regarding the actual debate. I will still pay attention to your comments made as a moderator. I have provided data that shows that for every dollar given to charity that 75 cents goes out to the people that need it. You have yet to produce anything. Good day to you.
    1) I will not prove a position that I do not adhere to. YOU do not get to assign me a position. I do.
    2) You STILL haven't answered the question. Tell me, does the amount of dollars that come into private charites equal the amount of dollars needed by the financially handicapped. THIS is the question that has been posed to you and one that you have NOT substantiated. When you do that, then we can talk. Until you can show that the intake equals the need, your position is not proven.
    3) Once you either prove your position, or admit that it cannot be proven, then we can move on.
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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    1) I will not prove a position that I do not adhere to. YOU do not get to assign me a position. I do.
    2) You STILL haven't answered the question. Tell me, does the amount of dollars that come into private charites equal the amount of dollars needed by the financially handicapped. THIS is the question that has been posed to you and one that you have NOT substantiated. When you do that, then we can talk. Until you can show that the intake equals the need, your position is not proven.
    3) Once you either prove your position, or admit that it cannot be proven, then we can move on.
    I already answered and backed it up. My last reply to you concerning this, so you have a good day.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    I already answered and backed it up. My last reply to you concerning this, so you have a good day.
    No, you didn't, as I showed. If this is your last reply concerning this, then I suppose your position goes unproven. Good to know. Have a good day.
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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Well, he will no longer address me. I guess he got tired of being beaten, so I will be content to watch


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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    Slavery was always a tool of capitalistic interest. Clearly free labour is best. This argument is flawed in that slavery requires no wages to be paid to said slaves.. slaves can't pay taxes.
    As if every Communist society has not used slave labour on a massive scale. In actuality capitalism and slavery are mutually exlusive concepts, because the basic premise of capitalism is that the means of production are privately owned whether that be a factory or the human body. Under a truly capitalist sytem the individual is owner of his own body and has exclusive rights to control over and use of all services, goods, and capital generated through the labour of that body and can either use the right of self ownership to remain self employed or rent out his labour to an employer through a voluntary contractual agreement.
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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Well, he will no longer address me. I guess he got tired of being beaten, so I will be content to watch

    Claiming victory and proving it are two different things. You haven't proven your position and refuse to do so. How typical.

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