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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    And you have no proof to back up your claim that private charity isn't effective and reliable.
    Its right here. Poorhouse - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Do you deny that they existed?

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Its right here. Poorhouse - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Do you deny that they existed?
    That's not proof. Prove to me with historical facts that governments can remove poverty and eliminate it once and for all.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    That's not proof. Prove to me with historical facts that governments can remove poverty and eliminate it once and for all.
    This is not the argument. The argument is whether private charity can meet the needs of the financially handicapped.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    This is not the argument. The argument is whether private charity can meet the needs of the financially handicapped.
    Since you stated that the government can meet the needs of the poor I want you to back up that statement with historical facts. Show me that a government anywhere in the history of the world has removed poverty and met the needs of the poor equally.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    Since you stated that the government can meet the needs of the poor I want you to back up that statement with historical facts. Show me that a government anywhere in the history of the world has removed poverty and met the needs of the poor equally.
    Show me where I stated that?

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    OK. I've been following this conversation for a couple of days. This is where it all began:

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    That sounds good on paper. Unfortunately, private charities can not keep up with the needs of the f financially handicapped.
    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    Not true since private charities were able to do so for over a hundred years before the government got involved. The government hates competition.
    Mega then asked The_Patriot to prove this assertion. The_Patriot then posted a link. I think we need to define one term to determine whether The_Patriot has substantiated his assertion. The term in question is, "keep up with the needs of the f financially handicapped," specifically, "keep up". Now, I would define "keep up" as "to match" or "maintain". If this is the case then to prove the assertion that The_Patriot has made, what must be substantiated is that private charities have been able to maintain or match the needs of the financially handicapped. In other words, financial private charity contributions would be equal to the financial needs of the financially handicapped. I do not see substantiation for this from The_Patriot.
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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Show me where I stated that?
    When you posited the opposite that what I said was true that is when you took the position that the government can. It's quite simple show me where a government has ended poverty and the poor that was effective and reliable.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    OK. I've been following this conversation for a couple of days. This is where it all began:

    Mega then asked The_Patriot to prove this assertion. The_Patriot then posted a link. I think we need to define one term to determine whether The_Patriot has substantiated his assertion. The term in question is, "keep up with the needs of the f financially handicapped," specifically, "keep up". Now, I would define "keep up" as "to match" or "maintain". If this is the case then to prove the assertion that The_Patriot has made, what must be substantiated is that private charities have been able to maintain or match the needs of the financially handicapped. In other words, financial private charity contributions would be equal to the financial needs of the financially handicapped. I do not see substantiation for this from The_Patriot.
    I have and provided data to support it. It's all in the links.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    When you posited the opposite that what I said was true that is when you took the position that the government can. It's quite simple show me where a government has ended poverty and the poor that was effective and reliable.
    Where did I posit the opposite? All I did was show your claim to be untrue. Just because I think one thing is not true does not automatically mean I think the opposite is true.
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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    I have and provided data to support it. It's all in the links.
    If you mean the link that was in your initial response, there was no data there. Data would be some sort of financial accounting that would show a zero balance when comparing the monies presented by charitable organizations to the money required by the financially handicapped. I saw no link that provided that kind of comprehensive information. If I missed it, please direct me to it.
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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
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