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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    This is based off what someone said in another thread. Since the 14th Amendment prohibits slavery of any kind does income, consumption based, and sale taxes a form of slavery that economically ties a person to the government and by default the poor?

    I would have to say yes since the Congressional Budget Office has stated many times that the route the country is going that many people working in 2020 and beyond will have to pay roughly 90% of their income in taxes to keep up the rate of services the government provides. This, to me, is economic slavery to the government and a violation of the 14th Amendment.
    It is slavery only when some must hand over the fruits of their labors to others, simply because those people are poor.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    It is slavery only when some must hand over the fruits of their labors to others, simply because those people are poor.
    If you think it is slavery, then start a lawsuit based on a violation of your 13th Amendment rights. Go see how far that gets you.
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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    So anyway to rehash.

    There issue is defined as (and I will once again link it in to show that I am not moving goal posts)

    The data about the founding of private charities and the data from 2007 and 2008 does not address the issue because it only shows that some philanthropic societies were founded and that people gave to charity. It does not show that the needs of the financially handicapped were met, only that money was given. Was it enough to meet the needs of the financially handicapped? I contend that it is not as there are still financially handicapped people with unmet needs.

    For example : FRAC - Hunger in the U.S.

    Now, your claim also was that before government got involved, the needs of the financially handicapped were met. You did not state federal government in your post, so to later redefine your statement would be moving the goal posts. As such, I will continue to address the statement in post 445, as you have not retracted it.

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    To be clear, constitutionality and legal legitimacy is not a proper part of the argument as this is primarily a financial discussion about taxation and how it related to charitable giving, so please stop using an argument that is irrelevant.
    Even your own links fail to show the effectiveness and the reliability of government charity. Both of your links fail to properly cite where they got the information from and fail to include links. It's just empty rhetoric with very few facts to support their theories.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Deleted snotty comment. Why waste my time?

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    Even your own links fail to show the effectiveness and the reliability of government charity. Both of your links fail to properly cite where they got the information from and fail to include links. It's just empty rhetoric with very few facts to support their theories.
    It was never my intention to show the effectiveness and reliability of social programs. It was to show that they exist and that there still is need.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    It was never my intention to show the effectiveness and reliability of social programs. It was to show that they exist and that there still is need.
    The problem is that you claimed that private charities weren't reliable and effective. You have failed to prove it.
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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    The problem is that you claimed that private charities weren't reliable and effective. You have failed to prove it.
    Please show me where I made that claim.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Please show me where I made that claim.
    In post #452 (Is Taxation Slavery?) you replied, "No because it does not address the real question. Yes there have been examples of philanthropy throughout time, what I want to see is that if it is enough to take care of everyone in need."

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    In post #452 (Is Taxation Slavery?) you replied, "No because it does not address the real question. Yes there have been examples of philanthropy throughout time, what I want to see is that if it is enough to take care of everyone in need."
    This does not mean that charity is not reliable and effective, it means there was not enough charity, no matter how good it is. There were still people who were financially handicapped who's needs were not being met as shown by the existance of poor houses.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    This does not mean that charity is not reliable and effective, it means there was not enough charity, no matter how good it is. There were still people who were financially handicapped who's needs were not being met as shown by the existance of poor houses.
    And you have no proof to back up your claim that private charity isn't effective and reliable.

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