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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Yourstar and I are two different people dude.

    But lets look at these two quotes.

    do you disagree that not taking care of everyone in need is a rephrasing of . If you disagree, please tell me how they are different.

    If you misunderstood, I will restrict the scope of my restatement to the realm of finances. However, both statements pretty much mean the same thing.

    Also per post 461, I did admit my error here http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1058858632

    Then I posted this http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1058858690 about the existance of poor houses (which wouldn't have been necessary if charities were taking care of the poor as an alternative proof, which you did not address, except to state that it was a state issue vs a federal one, which was outside the scope of our primary conversation about you backing up your claim.

    Also, please do not play game with me and equivocate me and yourstar. She has her arguments, I have mine. This is not some sport with two opposing sides. This is a bunch of individuals, each with their own point of view.
    I never did equivocate that you are one and the same. However, it still doesn't change the fact that your side of the argument needed to provide proof when Liberal Avenger failed to do so and you picked up his argument.

    None of the links are working for me which is strange, so can you please tell me the post number?

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    I never did equivocate that you are one and the same. However, it still doesn't change the fact that your side of the argument needed to provide proof when Liberal Avenger failed to do so and you picked up his argument.

    None of the links are working for me which is strange, so can you please tell me the post number?
    top post 487
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    There is no my side of the argument. There is only my argument. I have no control over what other people post. Whether or not Yourstar or LA back up what they claim is not my concern since my conversation is with you.

    Please stop using this red herring, you are better than this.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    ^^^ Um, I never said that charities didn't exist, or helped.. I stated that you can't rely on charities, as you can the government. Because charities don't have a permanent source of income, the way the government has. If they don't get donations, they can't do anything for you, hence my comment they can be for you one month and not the next. Are you saying that a single charity has as good of income as the US government? I've been waiting for you to provide this info, yet you haven't.
    Here you go and now produce your proof. Also, I never said a single charity as I've always used the plural. That means that I am talking about all of them. Please, don't move the goal posts and misconstrue my argument.

    According to Giving USA, American giving reach a record high in 2007, with donations totaling $314-billion. Giving has since dropped by 2% to $308 billion in 2008.2
    Link Keep in mind that taxes and inflation went up so people had less money to spend due to the recession. There was also changes in the law regarding how much a person could donate to a charity and get a deduction. The federal government spent 415.21 billion dollars in 2007 and 485.96 billion dollars in 2008. Link
    Last edited by The_Patriot; 07-15-10 at 07:50 PM.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    Here you go and now produce your proof. Also, I never said a single charity as I've always used the plural. That means that I am talking about all of them. Please, don't move the goal posts and misconstrue my argument.

    Link Keep in mind that taxes and inflation went up so people had less money to spend due to the recession. There was also changes in the law regarding how much a person could donate to a charity and get a deduction. The federal government spent 415.21 billion dollars in 2007 and 485.96 billion dollars in 2008.
    I will let yourstar field that one since it is her argument.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    top post 487
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    There is no my side of the argument. There is only my argument. I have no control over what other people post. Whether or not Yourstar or LA back up what they claim is not my concern since my conversation is with you.

    Please stop using this red herring, you are better than this.
    When I said government, I was referring to the federal government as evidenced by the usage of the Constitution of the United States and the limits on the federal government in this thread. I made no mention of state governments. You're the first one that did and I conceded the point by referencing the Tenth Amendment while clarifying what government I was talking about.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    When I said government, I was referring to the federal government as evidenced by the usage of the Constitution of the United States and the limits on the federal government. I made no mention of state governments. You're the first one that did and I conceded the point by referencing the Tenth Amendment while clarifying what government I was talking about.
    Fair enough, can you prove your assertion that private charities can keep up with the needs of the financially handicapped?

    Per this post http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1058858476 (post 3 445)

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Fair enough, can you prove your assertion that private charities can keep up with the needs of the financially handicapped?

    Per this post http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1058858476 (post 3 445)
    I never made that assertation but Your Star and Liberal Avenger did. They provided no proof, so under the rules of debate I need none. You should be asking them to back up their statements and not me.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    I never made that assertation but Your Star and Liberal Avenger did. They provided no proof, so under the rules of debate I need none. You should be asking them to back up their statements and not me.
    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    That sounds good on paper. Unfortunately, private charities can not keep up with the needs of the f financially handicapped.
    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    Not true since private charities were able to do so for over a hundred years before the government got involved. The government hates competition.
    Your words, not mine. Also please point out these rules that show that you do not need to prove your assertions? Are they in a book that I have to buy?

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    Here you go and now produce your proof. Also, I never said a single charity as I've always used the plural. That means that I am talking about all of them. Please, don't move the goal posts and misconstrue my argument.

    Link Keep in mind that taxes and inflation went up so people had less money to spend due to the recession. There was also changes in the law regarding how much a person could donate to a charity and get a deduction. The federal government spent 415.21 billion dollars in 2007 and 485.96 billion dollars in 2008. Link
    The fact is that charities are never as reliable as the US government. My argument was never that charities don't do good, or they can't take care of people. My argument is that charities can't of all of the impoverished, like the US government can. Until charities get taxes from every citizen, every year they will never be as reliable as the US government. If they were, charities would of gotten people out of the great depression, not the government. But that didn't happen, the government did.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    The fact is that charities are never as reliable as the US government. My argument was never that charities don't do good, or they can't take care of people. My argument is that charities can't of all of the impoverished, like the US government can. Until charities get taxes from every citizen, every year they will never be as reliable as the US government. If they were, charities would of gotten people out of the great depression, not the government. But that didn't happen, the government did.
    Actually, I'm 99% sure it was a combo of the government and charities which did so.

    And arguements over that still occur.

    I've heard people claim the government programs actually extended the depression...

    Which could be true, I suppose.
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