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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    Show me the proof that backs up your first statement regarding charity for the years 1700-1919. I have been waiting patiently for it.

    The government can limit you to get welfare based upon skin color (actually happened to me back when I was poor and needed help) or any other criteria they want to put into place. It is not guaranteed.
    you were refused help because of your skin color? i doubt that.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    Show me the proof that backs up your first statement regarding charity for the years 1700-1919. I have been waiting patiently for it.

    The government can limit you to get welfare based upon skin color (actually happened to me back when I was poor and needed help) or any other criteria they want to put into place. It is not guaranteed.
    Um, it's your job to prove that it was effective as a suitable replacement to welfare. You have provided no such proof.

    No they can't do anything like that. I'm white, and I'm getting food stamps, and they have many laws on the books stopping such discrimination. Getting welfare is based on need, and nothing else.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i can't find any data to support your disposable income claim......can you provide? all i can find is a study that directly contradicts your claim.

    http://nordhaus.econ.yale.edu/nordhaus_fisher.pdf

    see figure 1.
    The only taxes placed on 18th century Americans after the Constitution was ratified was distilled spirits, tobacco and snuff, refined sugar, carriages, property sold at auction and certain legal documents. In the 19th century there was the addition of property taxes upon homes starting in certain cities in the 1830's and became standard in all states by the end of the century. Using the data table you provided in the document the wages in gold dollars will have to be converted into gold ounces then using the Coinage Act of 1790 to find the equivalent amount. The current spot price for gold is $1,206.40 for an ounce. Thus on the table the $2500 disposible income is converted into 2 ounces of gold. That translates into $20 gold dollars. At the upper end of the scale, it is 33 ounces of gold which is $600 gold dollars.

    In the 18th-19th centuries wages ranged from $1 and up per day depending upon the job of the person. I'll use a miller that made $2 a day for this with a weekly wage of $14 gold dollars. He didn't have to pay any of the taxes we have to pay now, so his average expenses would have been roughly $2-4 a week in gold dollars (assuming he's single), so he was left with $10 gold dollars. That is a half an ounce of gold, so in today's money that would be $603.20 per week or
    $31,366.4 a year. His total disposable income would be at 72%.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Um, it's your job to prove that it was effective as a suitable replacement to welfare. You have provided no such proof.

    No they can't do anything like that. I'm white, and I'm getting food stamps, and they have many laws on the books stopping such discrimination. Getting welfare is based on need, and nothing else.
    You made the claim so back it up. I never claimed that it was effective or reliable.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    you were refused help because of your skin color? i doubt that.
    It was back about 20 years ago.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    It was back about 20 years ago.
    i hate to say this, but i don't believe you. a gov't program that you were entitled to turned you down because of your skin color? you'll have to be a bit more specific.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    You made the claim so back it up. I never claimed that it was effective or reliable.
    Yes you did, when you stated that charities could take care of people just as well as welfare programs.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    No the current system is a plutocracy based entirely on class supremacy and individual dependency.
    No, plutocracy is an accurate description of what is being proposed by some members on this thread. Rule and power by those with wealth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Yes you did, when you stated that charities could take care of people just as well as welfare programs.
    No, I didn't. I said that charities did a good job before the government got involved. You made the claim so back it up.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    your denials are foolish and you play evasive games. I know you don't like it but its a fact. I haven't posted a single thing you can actually prove as false--you utter an opinion which I reject as unlearned and statist
    You've presentd no rational refutations... only hyperbole. It's all you've got on this issue. I reject your opinion as nothing but plutocratic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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