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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    Hence you moved the goal posts in an attempt to win.
    No I did not. What I have wanted to know the whole time was what proof you had for this.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1058858476

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    Unfortunately, private charities can not keep up with the needs of the f financially handicapped.
    And you state

    Not true since private charities were able to do so for over a hundred years before the government got involved. The government hates competition.
    I want to see where private charities were keeping up with the needs of the financially handicapped, not when some charities were founded. And heck, I was only asking for the 1800s or another century before the new deal, not even hundreds of years.

    I was letting you off easy.
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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    No I did not. What I have wanted to know the whole time was what proof you had for this.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1058858476

    In which LA states

    And you state

    I want to see where private charities were keeping up with the needs of the financially handicapped, not when some charities were founded.
    And I did provide proof since those charities are still in existence and I provided the historical financial data on the amount of disposable income people had to help the poor. If the charities weren't keeping up with the needs of the poor they wouldn't be in existence today. Current statistics show that charities do help the poor more than the government does by the sheer amount of contributions every year. Yet, government still hasn't made a dent in the removal of the poor and poverty in the US.
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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    And I did provide proof since those charities are still in existence and I provided the historical financial data on the amount of disposable income people had to help the poor. If the charities weren't keeping up with the needs of the poor they wouldn't be in existence today.
    Where is this financial data? I honestly might have missed it. Also, can this financial data show what impact it had on the poor or only that a certain amount of money was donated?

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Either way, I have some work to get done in the next couple of hours, so I will look forward to an answer when I get back. Have fun with your research.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    I never made the claim that it was effective. You're the one that asserted that it wasn't effective and you have yet to provide any proof to back that up. I have been waiting patiently for you to provide such proof.
    I stated that they were not effective at providing for all the poor, you claimed that that I was wrong, therefore you were stating that charities were effective at providing for all the poor. And I did provide proof, though I doubt you even clicked the link I provided.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Where is this financial data? I honestly might have missed it. Also, can this financial data show what impact it had on the poor or only that a certain amount of money was donated?
    Now prior to 1916, people in the United States had far more disposable income due to the fact there weren't that many taxes placed on them and the government didn't limit their choices regarding charitible giving. Combine this with the fact that there was a fixed currency that didn't devalue over time, inflation, that the average American's spending power was greater than it is today. All of this is the fault of the government by implementing laws that interfere with charitible giving, fiat currency that has lost its purchasing power, and the taking of most of the disposable income of many Americans through taxation. Link

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    I stated that they were not effective at providing for all the poor, you claimed that that I was wrong, therefore you were stating that charities were effective at providing for all the poor. And I did provide proof, though I doubt you even clicked the link I provided.
    You stated in post #446, "Private charities don't have the reliability of the government. They can be there for you one month, but not the next. The government won't do that." There is no link to back up your statement regarding reliability.

    In post #450 you claimed, "Your over exaggerating the effectiveness of those charities. Before welfare programs it was quite literally do or die." Again no link to back up your statement about the effectiveness of private charity.

    The link you provided in post #453 never goes back to the 1700's and starts in the 1920's. It is invalid as a source against the data of private charities from the 1700's-1919. You asserted that private charities in the 1700's-1919 were unreliable and ineffective and you failed to provide proof.
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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    You stated in post #446, "Private charities don't have the reliability of the government. They can be there for you one month, but not the next. The government won't do that." There is no link to back up your statement regarding reliability.

    In post #450 you claimed, "Your over exaggerating the effectiveness of those charities. Before welfare programs it was quite literally do or die." Again no link to back up your statement about the effectiveness of private charity.

    The link you provided in post #453 never goes back to the 1700's and starts in the 1920's. It is invalid as a source against the data that private charities from the 1700's-1919. You asserted that private charities in the 1700's-1919 were unreliable and ineffective and you failed to provide proof.
    My proof is sufficient, it provides the fatal flaw in charities, in that even if they were able to provide for the people 100% of the time( and I'm not saying that they were) is that they are provided for by private donations. That are not mandatory, and that during a time of financial distress, like the great depression they can't be relied upon to help out the impoverished. That is why a government welfare program is necessary to help out the impoverished, and my numbers prove that welfare programs actually do help out the impoverished.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    My proof is sufficient, it provides the fatal flaw in charities, in that even if they were able to provide for the people 100% of the time( and I'm not saying that they were) is that they are provided for by private donations. That are not mandatory, and that during a time of financial distress, like the great depression they can't be relied upon to help out the impoverished. That is why a government welfare program is necessary to help out the impoverished, and my numbers prove that welfare programs actually do help out the impoverished.
    No, your proof fails to address the years between the 1700's-1919. As such it is invalid. Find proof that backs up your statements about the reliability and effectiveness of charities between 1700 till 1919. Also, the statistics I provided from the National Poverty Center have shown that the levels of poverty have remained unchanged in the United States even after the implementation of federal welfare programs.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    Not true since private charities were able to do so for over a hundred years before the government got involved. The government hates competition.
    Some of the christians force you to be "washed in the blood of jesus" in order to get aid.
    Last edited by LiberalAvenger; 07-15-10 at 02:14 PM.

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