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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Thats more of a complaint on how the programs are run, than the program themselves.
    No it's a complaint about the ineffiency of state bureaucracy. Not only is state theft and redistribution an ineffecient means to aid the poor but it is a violation of the right of self ownership and the non-aggression principle. Charities on the other hand are more efficient and do not violate the rights of the individual.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    Yes and those were all run by the state governments not the federal government, which is what my original objection was about. The Tenth Amendment reinforces this.

    The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
    Thats great, but you also claimed that

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    Not true since private charities were able to do so for over a hundred years before the government got involved. The government hates competition.
    That is the statement I am concerned about. I don't care what you think about the 10th amendment.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Thats great, but you also claimed that



    That is the statement I am concerned about. I don't care what you think about the 10th amendment.
    I provided proof that private charities were able to do so for over a hundred years before the government got involved. My statement was in regards to the federal government not the states since I used the singular and not the plural of government.
    Last edited by The_Patriot; 07-15-10 at 01:27 PM.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    I provided proof that private charities were able to do so for over a hundred years before the government got involved. My statement was in regards to the federal government not the states since I used the singular and not the plural of government.
    Show me the proof then and please do not go "buy the book!"

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Show me the proof then and please do not go "buy the book!"
    I already did and it wasn't good enough for you. I showed that private charities were able to assist people without the federal government being involved.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    No it's a complaint about the ineffiency of state bureaucracy. Not only is state theft and redistribution an ineffecient means to aid the poor but it is a violation of the right of self ownership and the non-aggression principle. Charities on the other hand are more efficient and do not violate the rights of the individual.
    I'm all for making those programs more efficient, but I'm definitely not for getting rid of those programs. Also charities can not provide for everyone like the government can.

    Also your self ownership comes after taxes.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    I already did and it wasn't good enough for you. I showed that private charities were able to assist people without the federal government being involved.
    When did you do this?

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    When did you do this?
    When I linked the Philantropic Society page.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    When I linked the Philantropic Society page.
    That was not proof.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    That was not proof.
    You never countered with the federal government being able to help the poor so yes it is proof.

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