View Poll Results: Is Taxation Slavery?

Voters
105. You may not vote on this poll
  • Yes

    18 17.14%
  • No

    78 74.29%
  • Other (Explain)

    9 8.57%
Page 5 of 88 FirstFirst ... 345671555 ... LastLast
Results 41 to 50 of 872

Thread: Is Taxation Slavery?

  1. #41
    Educator Jucon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    USA
    Last Seen
    04-22-14 @ 07:52 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    787

    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Lets not even get into the liability of your neighbors house burning because he did not pay and it ignites something else. That is just one example, their are far to many to list.
    Just giving one example, but

  2. #42
    Professor
    The_Patriot's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Last Seen
    02-06-12 @ 06:25 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    1,488

    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jucon View Post
    Apparently you missed this part of your post...

    Maybe this year we'll get more ACTUAL conservatives in government who will cut government spending... and maybe in 2012 we'll get a president who will continue this act of cutting government and making it more efficient?

    If you want to know if taxes CAN become a form of slavery... then yes, of course they can. But you didn't ask if it CAN... you asked if it IS. 90% taxes is unfair and is enslavement of the tax payers... but you didn't ask that in your poll. You asked if taxation IS...

    Start another poll if you want to know the obvious answer to this CAN question.

    And quit making rediculous accusations and putting words in people's mouths. It's getting annoying.
    A semantics argument and splitting hairs. I'm asking for clarifications on people's position, which isn't putting words in people's mouths.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Yea that would work. LMAO!

    Lets see how well that worked anyplace on the earth EVER. Oh it didn't. Hehehehehehe!

    In fact the early US Government tried the "no tax" option. It dident work out to well for them either.
    It works quite well actually and has for police and fire departments. They also are more efficient. However, the federal government doesn't handle these services, so it's a non-sequitor.

    The US government never had a no tax option. It does have a tax option that requires the federal government to tell the people exactly what they are spending the money on and go to the states with hat in hand to collect the tax based on enumeration. To say the least, this put a damper on any growth of the government into areas it didn't belong.

  3. #43
    Sage
    Lord Tammerlain's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Last Seen
    Today @ 06:48 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    10,432

    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    A semantics argument and splitting hairs. I'm asking for clarifications on people's position, which isn't putting words in people's mouths.



    It works quite well actually and has for police and fire departments. They also are more efficient. However, the federal government doesn't handle these services, so it's a non-sequitor.

    The US government never had a no tax option. It does have a tax option that requires the federal government to tell the people exactly what they are spending the money on and go to the states with hat in hand to collect the tax based on enumeration. To say the least, this put a damper on any growth of the government into areas it didn't belong.
    Only if you decide to pay for police and fire service

    I would take the chance of not paying for police service, or fire service
    Happy Hanukkah Cheerfull Kwanzaa
    Happy Christmas Merry New Year Festivus for the rest of us

  4. #44
    King Of The Dog Pound
    Black Dog's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    South Florida
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    34,516

    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    Must be since he's the guy that looks at all four books the US government keeps. Do you have access to those books for review? Yeah, I didn't think so.
    And you do?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    I was referring to the federal level.
    You said nothing about Federal, so yes I am good.

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    So how is that government working out for you as is your philosophy?
    Yes it is. We get exactly the government we deserve, period.

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    By stating that the premise and the conclusion as flawed then you're saying that taxation is not slavery.
    Yes.

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    That is a crock because the ability to control how much money a person has access to means that you have put them into bondage and by failing to pay those taxes results in the loss of your property as well as your freedom. How is that not slavery?
    What is a crock is you are trying to say that all taxes are slavery, and they are not. The tax levels in the US are far from slavery of any kind. No one is "controlled" by it. We are represented in government, so we are not taxed without representation. So again this is not slavery.

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    Funny, but the top wage earners paid 90% of their taxes between 1932-1954.
    What fantasy book did that come out of?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    Where was the vast job loss and civil unrest? It didn't happen much like the civil unrest isn't happening now. The job loss is due to government regulations and interference in the work place. So for 22 years, it was a viable option of taxing people at 90%.
    Again what fantasy book is that coming out of?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    The definition of slavery says, "(Law) the state or condition of being a slave; a civil relationship whereby one person has absolute power over another and controls his life, liberty, and fortune". With the government stating that you have to pay x% of your income and the government having absolute power over you to the point that it does control your life, liberty, and fortune this does indeed fall under slavery. To clarify your position, are you saying that when you pay 90% of your income to the government with the failure to pay meaning the loss of your life, liberty, and fortune to said government isn't slavery?
    The government does not control our life, liberty or finance. We pay a portion to help support the services to keep our society running.

    Maybe you should have said indentured servitude, lol. Makes about as much sense.

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    I trust the person that sees the books. Are you willing to trust someone else that doesn't see the books?
    Yes I am willing to trust myself and common sense.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
    Quote Originally Posted by Absentglare View Post
    You can successfully wipe your ass with toilet paper, that doesn't mean that you should.

  5. #45
    Educator Jucon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    USA
    Last Seen
    04-22-14 @ 07:52 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    787

    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    It works quite well actually and has for police and fire departments. They also are more efficient. However, the federal government doesn't handle these services, so it's a non-sequitor.
    How could a privatized police or fire station station work? And please give an example of where this is true. Thanks! Going to bed. Good night

  6. #46
    Sage
    teamosil's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    San Francisco
    Last Seen
    05-22-14 @ 12:47 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    6,623

    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    No. Taxation is just expecting people to do their part to contribute to society. Without it nobody would have any money in the first place. We'd be in a condition like Somalia... Nobody wants that, so we pay our taxes... Although some on the right like to whine about it an awful lot.

  7. #47
    King Of The Dog Pound
    Black Dog's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    South Florida
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    34,516

    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    It works quite well actually and has for police and fire departments. They also are more efficient. However, the federal government doesn't handle these services, so it's a non-sequitor.
    Oh it has? Please point out a municipality that has or has ever had a "private" police or fire department? And then please post evidence to back this up.

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    The US government never had a no tax option. It does have a tax option that requires the federal government to tell the people exactly what they are spending the money on and go to the states with hat in hand to collect the tax based on enumeration. To say the least, this put a damper on any growth of the government into areas it didn't belong.
    Wrong...

    The Continental Congress printed paper money which was so depreciated that it ceased to pass as currency, spawning the expression "not worth a continental". Congress could not levy taxes and could only make requisitions upon the States. Less than a million and a half dollars came into the treasury between 1781 and 1784, although the governors had been asked for two million in 1783 alone.
    Last edited by Black Dog; 07-12-10 at 03:02 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
    Quote Originally Posted by Absentglare View Post
    You can successfully wipe your ass with toilet paper, that doesn't mean that you should.

  8. #48
    Sage
    Lord Tammerlain's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Last Seen
    Today @ 06:48 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    10,432

    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jucon View Post
    How could a privatized police or fire station station work? And please give an example of where this is true. Thanks! Going to bed. Good night
    It does work in San Fransisco sort of

    Patrol Special police - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The Patrol Special police is a private police force that is active in the United States city of San Francisco. They are not San Francisco Police officers and have no arrest powers.

    Patrol Special Police Officers and their Assistants are private police patrol persons. Patrol Special Police Officers receive their appointment from the Police Commission which has oversight responsibility for the entire Patrol Special Police Program.

    Patrol Special Police Officers were created under the City Charter and are defined as private police patrol persons who contract to perform police services of a private nature for private persons and businesses within a geographical boundary set forth by the Police Commission
    Basically glorified security guards by the looks of it
    Happy Hanukkah Cheerfull Kwanzaa
    Happy Christmas Merry New Year Festivus for the rest of us

  9. #49
    Professor
    The_Patriot's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Last Seen
    02-06-12 @ 06:25 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    1,488

    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    And you do?
    I go by the man that sees them every day.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    You said nothing about Federal, so yes I am good.
    I, actually, said in the first post "I would have to say yes since the Congressional Budget Office" which is federal.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Yes it is. We get exactly the government we deserve, period.
    How cynical you are.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Yes.
    I'm glad to know that you believe that the government can tax you for up to 100% and it still not be slavery. :P

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    What is a crock is you are trying to say that all taxes are slavery, and they are not. The tax levels in the US are far from slavery of any kind. No one is "controlled" by it. We are represented in government, so we are not taxed without representation. So again this is not slavery.
    Failure to pay taxes does result in the seizure of property and mandatory prison time. How is that not controlling?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    What fantasy book did that come out of?
    I give you this table compliments of Historic Tax Rates in the US.

    # 1954-1963: 91%
    # 1952-1953: 92%
    # 1951: 91%
    # 1950: 84.36%
    # 1948-1949: 82.13%
    # 1946-1947: 86.45%
    # 1944-1945: 94%
    # 1942-1943: 88%
    # 1941: 81%
    # 1940: 81.1%
    # 1936-1939: 79%
    # 1932-1935: 63%

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Again what fantasy book is that coming out of?
    I ask again where was the civil unrest and job loss for when the tax level was at 91% for top earners? You made the statement that there would be job loss and civil unrest when the level reached that high. I asked for you to back up your statement.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    The government does not control our life, liberty or finance. We pay a portion to help support the services to keep our society running.

    Maybe you should have said indentured servitude, lol. Makes about as much sense.
    Are you denying that the government cannot take away your life, liberty, or finance when you fail to pay income taxes? The current tax laws state that the government can seize your property and make you serve mandatory prison terms for failing to pay. This goes for all types of taxes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Yes I am willing to trust myself and common sense.
    I'm glad to know that you do trust yourself.

  10. #50
    Professor
    The_Patriot's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Last Seen
    02-06-12 @ 06:25 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    1,488

    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Oh it has? Please point out a municipality that has or has ever had a "private" police or fire department? And then please post evidence to back this up.
    Sure, I can back it up. Here's a source for you.

    The kind of police Americans knew in the early nineteenth century was descended from the medieval police of England--a constable and watch system composed of a volunteer night watch, who patrolled the city, and a daytime constable, who supervised the watch and charged fees for his services. Most night watchmen, however, were actually paid substitutes for volunteers and traditionally were drawn from society's unemployables. When Dogberry in Shakespeare's Much Ado about Nothing selects a night constable from among the watchmen, he picks "the most senseless and fit man," whom he orders, "You shall comprehend all vagrom men." As for sleeping on the job, Dogberry offers that he "cannot see how sleeping should offend; only, have a care that your bills [weapons] be not stolen." In this scene, Shakespeare ridiculed the notorious failings of the watch, which persisted through the nineteenth century: they drank, slept, and ran from any sign of danger. And constables were venal, illiterate Dogberries, intervening in crimes only when there was the promise of a good fee. In the United States, similar complaints were voiced about the watch and constables, but cities managed to survive under this loose system until they were quite large. New York had over a half million people before it got a permanent police in 1853, Boston about 175,000 (1859), and Philadelphia about 250,000 (1856).


    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Wrong...

    The Continental Congress printed paper money which was so depreciated that it ceased to pass as currency, spawning the expression "not worth a continental". Congress could not levy taxes and could only make requisitions upon the States. Less than a million and a half dollars came into the treasury between 1781 and 1784, although the governors had been asked for two million in 1783 alone.
    Citing the Continental Congress is about as valid as citing the English court when talking about the Congress of the United States. Two different governments there bud since the Continental Congress was a UN style of organization that had little authority. It met only for two years before being dissolved upon the ratification of the Articles of Confederation and the appointment of the Congress of the Confederation. The Congress of the Confederation was dissolved after the Constitution of the United States was ratified and the Congress of the United States was elected. Try using the current government and not one that was dissolved by an act of the states.

Page 5 of 88 FirstFirst ... 345671555 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •