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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

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    You know that is not always a good thing right.
    Anyway private charities will never be able to take care of people the way the government can. There are standards for government welfare so they can take care of the truly impoverished, and give them a crutch while they are down, so they can get back on there feet. This is shown with the numbers I gave you about the poverty rate going down when welfare programs were implemented.
    Yet, the government's own statistics prove that it can't help everyone the way private charities can. Poverty rates have remained unchanged and the statistics bear this out. It's a well known fact that Social Security, Medicare, and other government programs can turn you away because the government has never promised to fulfill those services after you pay in.
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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    The fundamental point of debate is that you can back up your statements, not point someone "in the right direction" and tell them to find it for themselves. The person that makes the assertion has to be the one to cite it, its kind of like a college paper.
    However, I never made that assertation now did I?

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    The fundamental point of debate is that you can back up your statements, not point someone "in the right direction" and tell them to find it for themselves. The person that makes the assertion has to be the one to cite it, its kind of like a college paper.
    The hypocrisy is amazing.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    The logical fallacy comes in when the article doesn't prove that these women went to a charity to get help and were turned away. In fact, it never even touches upon the subject, which is why it's an invalid comparison logical fallacy.
    OMG, you seriously think there weren't people trying to get help?

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    The hypocrisy is amazing.
    That would be only true if I had actually made the assertation, but I didn't.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    However, I never made that assertation now did I?
    You made the assertion that private charities could take care of people just as well as government welfare programs. I said they couldn't. I provided information, and statistics, and you "pointed me in the right direction", and made up excuses about how you couldn't come up with statistics.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    OMG, you seriously think there weren't people trying to get help?
    I never said that now did I? I said that the article never specifies that the women featured in the article went to charity and were turned away.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    However, I never made that assertation now did I?
    As I recall, you did make an assertion

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    Not true since private charities were able to do so for over a hundred years before the government got involved. The government hates competition.
    Than you offered invalid proof

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    I pointed out that your proof was invalid and you responded with

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    If you want the statistics then buy the book. I can only present to you what they have available for free.
    So in the end you cannot back up your statement.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    I never said that now did I? I said that the article never specifies that the women featured in the article went to charity and were turned away.
    You just contradicted yourself in that very statement!

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    You made the assertion that private charities could take care of people just as well as government welfare programs. I said they couldn't. I provided information, and statistics, and you "pointed me in the right direction", and made up excuses about how you couldn't come up with statistics.
    As I said, statistics is a relatively new phenomeana and the records are private. That is not an excuse, but the cold, hard facts. Private organizations are not required to hold studies on statistics of who they helped 100 years ago or longer. They also do not have to open their records to anyone. The government, on the other hand, is required by the Constitution of the United States to do so. I give you Article IV Section I Clause I.

    Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof.

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