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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    You should pay taxes proportionate to your income. Lets say the tax rate is 20%, and like you want it is the same for all citizens. The person making $500,00 will pay $100,000 in taxes, barring any deductions. A substantial amount, but it doesn't hinder the person making $500,000 as much as it hinders the person making $15,000 who will pay $3,000. Because the person making $15,000 is more likely to spend all of that money, maybe even more spending on just the basic needs to live. Like shelter, food, clothes, transportation, electricity, water,etc. While the person making $500,000 doesn't have that problem. So I ask the question, why do you want to take money from the less fortunate? Like were on food stamps because we want to be on them.
    This ignores the fact that the person making $500,000 would better serve the economy by reinvesting that $100,000 into the company which he owns, perhaps by giving the guy making $15,000 a year a raise or hiring another person who will, also, make $15,000 a year. Under the current system for each tax dollar collected for welfare programs 2/3's of that dollar goes to overhead costs. The only ones benefiting from state theft is the state itself.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Thank you for the very detailed response about exactly which government spending is and isn't unconstutitional. Thanks for listing the numerous programs and examples of unconstutitional spending. It goes very far to prove your points.
    It's easier to deliniate what is Constitutional then isn't since there are hundreds of thousands of spending bills that aren't. Here's the list of what is Constitutional from Article I Section VIII Clauses II-XVI, Article VI Clause I, Article II Section I Clause VII, and Article III Section I Clause I.

    To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;

    To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

    To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

    To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

    To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

    To establish Post Offices and post Roads;

    To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

    To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

    To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;

    To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

    To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

    To provide and maintain a Navy;

    To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

    To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

    To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

    The Senators and Representatives shall receive a Compensation for their Services, to be ascertained by Law, and paid out of the Treasury of the United States. They shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same; and for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place.

    The President shall, at stated Times, receive for his Services, a Compensation, which shall neither be increased nor diminished during the Period for which he shall have been elected, and he shall not receive within that Period any other Emolument from the United States, or any of them.

    The judicial Power of the United States shall be vested in one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The Judges, both of the supreme and inferior Courts, shall hold their Offices during good Behaviour, and shall, at stated Times, receive for their Services a Compensation, which shall not be diminished during their Continuance in Office.
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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    It's easier to deliniate what is Constitutional then isn't since there are hundreds of thousands of spending bills that aren't.
    I note that you didn't list that either.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    But the survival of the government is related to the survival of the populace. Therefore, the survival of the government is dependent on the survival of the populace. Therefore, it is in the best interests of the government to provide collective security and defense for the populace. Such security and defense is not slavery.
    It is when the state assumes a full monopoly on the use of collective security and defense especially when the state more often than not uses that monopoly to infringe upon the right of self ownership rather than defend it. In a free society there would be no monopoly on the just use of force. Security and defense would be provided through voluntary contractual agreements between private individuals and organizations.

    And trust me, the rights of individuals would not be far less respected in an anarchy without a government.
    No they would actually be respected in a stateless society under an advanced market economy; whereas, under state capitalism they are not respected at all.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    I note that you didn't list that either.
    It took me a few minutes, but check the post where I said that.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    Ask the people, like the survivors of Waco and Ruby Ridge, if their rights were respected by the government.
    Any bloodshed could have been avoided if those people had not resisted federal agents who were pursuing their legal duties.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Any bloodshed could have been avoided if those people had not resisted federal agents who were pursuing their legal duties.
    I can't believe you actually said that with a straight face, since the FBI and BATFE didn't follow their legal duties. They were following regulations that were in violation of the First and Second Amendment. To date, no court has found that anyone that wasn't law enforcement in those incidents had violated the law. This means that torching a building filled with explosive CS gas was illegal as well as the execution of unarmed civilians at Ruby Ridge. Again ask the survivors if their rights were respected.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    It took me a few minutes, but check the post where I said that.
    So list from the examples I provided in my previous post (I underlined them) which of those examples are unconstutitional.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Any bloodshed could have been avoided if those people had not resisted federal agents who were pursuing their legal duties.
    Their legal duties were infringing upon their right of self ownership.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Any bloodshed could have been avoided if those people had not resisted federal agents who were pursuing their legal duties.
    you are not being truthful

    that Keven Harris was acquitted for killing a Deputy US marshall means that the feds were engaging in activity that justified a civilian killing a fed. the only thing that justifies that was homicidal actions by the fed

    the order to shoot vicky weaver was illegal and the government paid the weavers over 3 million dollars for that violation

    the davidians were never convicted of killing any ATF agents which again proves that the davidians were justified in using deadly force

    having shot someone in the past I am more aware about the laws of deadly force than perhaps anyone on this board



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