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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

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    The Constitution.
    The original or modified by a bunch of progressive socialists 127 years later?

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

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    The original or modified by a bunch of progressive socialists 127 years later?
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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

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    In the original, there is no provision for income taxation. There is a provision for generating money through duties and through enumeration of people by state. By using that, what right do you have to someone else's property?

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    In the original, there is no provision for income taxation. There is a provision for generating money through duties and through enumeration of people by state. By using that, what right do you have to someone else's property?
    sadly the dems have created generations of people who believe they are entitled to the wealth of others

    remember the old adage-beggars cannot be choosers? well the dems have an attitude that not only are people entitled to the wealth of others, if you are being soaked you should be happy that the goverment doesn't take more to buy the votes of their supporters



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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    In the original, there is no provision for income taxation. There is a provision for generating money through duties and through enumeration of people by state. By using that, what right do you have to someone else's property?
    The constitution allows taxation, income tax is a form of taxation. Therefore the constitution allows income tax.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    sadly the dems have created generations of people who believe they are entitled to the wealth of others

    remember the old adage-beggars cannot be choosers? well the dems have an attitude that not only are people entitled to the wealth of others, if you are being soaked you should be happy that the goverment doesn't take more to buy the votes of their supporters
    Well it all started with the Republicans and the welfare given under Lincoln's administration to pay for the votes of the German immigrants in the northern states. He created the Department of Agriculture with the sole purpose of giving handouts to farmers.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    The constitution allows taxation, income tax is a form of taxation. Therefore the constitution allows income tax.
    no-an amendment to the constitution supposedly allows income tax but it was anathema to the founding fathers

    lets suppose the income tax is being discussed prior to ratification-give us a good argument why we should have an income tax

    and make it to the founders-for they were land owners and pretty much the top of society.


    make an argument why winners would incorporate such a thing in a document they created



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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    sound point but FDR and LBJ really screwed the pooch



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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    The constitution allows taxation, income tax is a form of taxation. Therefore the constitution allows income tax.
    Nope it doesn't. I give you the Constitution of the United States in Article I Section IX Clause IV.

    No Capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in Proportion to the Census or enumeration herein before directed to be taken.

    To head off the argument about Article I Section VIII Clause I's statement of 'To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises' James Madison stated, in regards to general welfare, that all of the grants of power pertaining to it is self-contained and listed in that section. Therefore, using his reasoning then the only taxes allowed are by enumeration or by duties. Imposts are the same duties since they're both tariffs placed on the manufacturers of said goods. Since it's placed on the manufacturer a person is not taxed.

    Here is the rest of the Clauses pertaining to taxes in the Constitution from Article I Section IX Clause V, Article I Section IX Clause VI, and Article I Section X Clause II.

    No Tax or Duty shall be laid on Articles exported from any State.

    No Preference shall be given by any Regulation of Commerce or Revenue to the Ports of one State over those of another; nor shall Vessels bound to, or from, one State, be obliged to enter, clear, or pay Duties in another.

    No State shall, without the Consent of the Congress, lay any Imposts or Duties on Imports or Exports, except what may be absolutely necessary for executing it's inspection Laws: and the net Produce of all Duties and Imposts, laid by any State on Imports or Exports, shall be for the Use of the Treasury of the United States; and all such Laws shall be subject to the Revision and Controul of the Congress.
    Last edited by The_Patriot; 07-14-10 at 11:07 PM.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    wrong

    but tell me what is the moral authority you point to that justifies me having to support your existence. frankly your existence doesn't benefit me so why should I have to (morally-don't quote dem created redistributionist laws designed to buy your vote) pay for your share of government services.
    Morality has nothing to do with the tax code. It's irrelevant to the discussion. This is not about Sunday school.

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