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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Property taxes are state and local.
    And your point? It's still theft even if done at the state and local levels.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    And your point? It's still theft even if done at the state and local levels.
    So I guess you expect to have the resources to build your own roads and put out any possible fires etc without the help of the municipality?
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I guess having roads, police and fire departments etc would be funded by.....?
    Private police and fire departments and road builders. Rather than being compelled by the state to finance these operations the individual would engage in voluntary contractual agreements for these services.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    At the rate of inflation and the drop in wages due to said inflation I would say yes. If the chief accountant of the United States federal government is saying that this is how it will be if the government doesn't change its spending habits then I have nothing to dispute it. He, afterall, handles the books of the country and knows what it takes to keep the government running at its current level.
    Apparently you missed this part of your post...

    Maybe this year we'll get more ACTUAL conservatives in government who will cut government spending... and maybe in 2012 we'll get a president who will continue this act of cutting government and making it more efficient?

    If you want to know if taxes CAN become a form of slavery... then yes, of course they can. But you didn't ask if it CAN... you asked if it IS. 90% taxes is unfair and is enslavement of the tax payers... but you didn't ask that in your poll. You asked if taxation IS...

    Start another poll if you want to know the obvious answer to this CAN question.

    And quit making rediculous accusations and putting words in people's mouths. It's getting annoying.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    So I guess you expect to have the resources to build your own roads and put out any possible fires etc without the help of the municipality?
    No I would if the need arose to use a road expect to pay a fee for the use of the road likewise I would expect to enter into voluntary contractual agreements for the services of private police and fire firms rather than the current system where I am compelled by force to finance the state monopoly on these services which I seldom if ever even use.
    Last edited by Agent Ferris; 07-12-10 at 02:38 AM.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Private police and fire departments and road builders. Rather than being compelled by the state to finance these operations the individual would engage in voluntary contractual agreements for these services.
    Yea that would work. LMAO!

    Lets see how well that worked anyplace on the earth EVER. Oh it didn't. Hehehehehehe!

    In fact the early US Government tried the "no tax" option. It dident work out to well for them either.
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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Yea that would work. LMAO!

    Lets see how well that worked anyplace on the earth EVER. Oh it didn't. Hehehehehehe!
    Tell me why wouldn't it work exactly? Are you saying that there would not be a profit to be made from offering these services? Are you suggesting that people would not voluntarily pay for these services?

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Well if they said it, it must be true.
    Must be since he's the guy that looks at all four books the US government keeps. Do you have access to those books for review? Yeah, I didn't think so.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Excellent, part of the reason I live in Florida. No state tax etc.
    I was referring to the federal level.

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    I guess you missed this...

    "and we get exactly the government we deserve." - Blackdog
    So how is that government working out for you as is your philosophy?

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    Please point out where I said this or even implied it? That is a lie. Do not put words in my mouth.

    Your premise is unrealistic and you conclusion is therefore flawed. So no, it is not slavery.

    I am not stupid enough to consider 90% taxes as anything more than fantasy in the next 10 years. Hell even the next 20.

    Now lets look at it realistically. If the government took 90% from the top wage earners, the country would collapse very quickly. The rate of job loss and out right civil unrest would not make it any kind of viable option.
    By stating that the premise and the conclusion as flawed then you're saying that taxation is not slavery. That is a crock because the ability to control how much money a person has access to means that you have put them into bondage and by failing to pay those taxes results in the loss of your property as well as your freedom. How is that not slavery? Funny, but the top wage earners paid 90% of their taxes between 1932-1954. Where was the vast job loss and civil unrest? It didn't happen much like the civil unrest isn't happening now. The job loss is due to government regulations and interference in the work place. So for 22 years, it was a viable option of taxing people at 90%.

    The definition of slavery says, "(Law) the state or condition of being a slave; a civil relationship whereby one person has absolute power over another and controls his life, liberty, and fortune". With the government stating that you have to pay x% of your income and the government having absolute power over you to the point that it does control your life, liberty, and fortune this does indeed fall under slavery. To clarify your position, are you saying that when you pay 90% of your income to the government with the failure to pay meaning the loss of your life, liberty, and fortune to said government isn't slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    So in this case you are willing to trust the government on nothing more than a hypothetical? I see.
    I trust the person that sees the books. Are you willing to trust someone else that doesn't see the books?

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Tell me why wouldn't it work exactly? Are you saying that there would not be a profit to be made from offering these services? Are you suggesting that people would not voluntarily pay for these services?
    After someone's house burns down... how are they going to pay to fix their house AND pay the firemen? Or if someone can't afford to pay the fireman, should the house just be allowed to burn, potentially starting their neighbor's house on fire?

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Tell me why wouldn't it work exactly? Are you saying that there would not be a profit to be made from offering these services? Are you suggesting that people would not voluntarily pay for these services?
    People bitch about having to pay car insurance and you are telling me you honestly believe people would pay for fire departments and road service??? Please, that is just to unrealistic.

    Lets not even get into the liability of your neighbors house burning because he did not pay and it ignites something else. That is just one example, their are far to many to list.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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