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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    So then you think poor people shouldn't have the right to vote. Gotcha!

    Then you can vote for people who agree with you. But 10% of $15,000 hurts more than 10% of $500,000.

    We already have a sales tax.

    When rich people are going hungry because of taxes you can talk, but when people want to cut spending on welfare programs that could very well make me go hungry I think I should have equal say.
    And I don't plan to be in this situation forever, I hate having to be on food stamps, but when I am fortunate enough to get out of this situation, I will gladly pay taxes to help other people who have fell on hard times.
    I would prefer you be able to vote but that the system is such that if you vote to raise taxes on me, you suffer an equal raise in what is taken out of every additional dollar you earn. Then you would be far less likely to vote yourself more public wealth. Right now you have absolutely NO INCENTIVE WHATSOEVER, to limit government spending since you have no skin in the game

    being dependent on others really should mean you have no right to force them to pay more for you.

    What you should say is that if you get out of your dependency predicament you would give to charity to help others since that is far more effective than voting for more taxes and more government



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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Well, I’m in the middle of taxation is slavery and theft issue. It’s a complex issue that pulls from discussions about small government, consent of the governed and what should be taxed, etc. I think in the end the people should have more money in their pockets.
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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    The fact is that the super wealth pay no income tax at all. They earn their riches though investments and pay only 15% on capital gains. Warren Buffett has famously said that his secretary pays a higher tax rate than he does. He also say there is a class war going on and his side (the rich) are winning.
    what oozing BS- I have already destroyed buffett's hypocrisy-he only takes 100K in salary and the rest in capital gains--yet he still pays a higher percentage on his salary than she does and if he took the sort of salary similarly situated executives of equivalent standing did he'd pay a lot more

    so he is a guy who has the control to structure his compensation to avoid as much taxes as possible and he whines about it

    15% on a billion sure is far more than he uses. So take that crap about the superwealthy paying no income tax at all and flush it down the toilent. your master Obama isn't just targeting Buffett and Gates with his tax hike schemes.



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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    You can reject it all you want, means little as it is our system for the time being.



    You act like it would be rape?
    NO it would be pest control

    but for a conservative you sure seem to be a fascist-statist.

    because something is the way it is that precludes debate on a subject?



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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    You believe in plutocracy, I do not.
    what I believe in is freedom and if people want to vote then they should have to have some skin in the game. I would limit voting to tax payers which is hardly a plutocracy. Since you seem unwilling to support a system where one group cannot vote up the taxes of others while not suffering anything themselves, I would prefer they not be able to vote.

    so the choices are-

    let everyone vote-producer or looter, net tax payer or net tax consumer, parasite or contributor but we have a flat tax or sales tax

    OR more votes for more taxes you pay

    or Taxpayers only voting.

    That you ignore the fact that there are plenty of people out there who want the top tax payers paying 3X or 4X what they are paying now (including some scumbag from the AFL-CIO) undercuts your credibility with me



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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    what I believe in is freedom and if people want to vote then they should have to have some skin in the game. I would limit voting to tax payers which is hardly a plutocracy. Since you seem unwilling to support a system where one group cannot vote up the taxes of others while not suffering anything themselves, I would prefer they not be able to vote.

    so the choices are-

    let everyone vote-producer or looter, net tax payer or net tax consumer, parasite or contributor but we have a flat tax or sales tax

    OR more votes for more taxes you pay

    or Taxpayers only voting.

    That you ignore the fact that there are plenty of people out there who want the top tax payers paying 3X or 4X what they are paying now (including some scumbag from the AFL-CIO) undercuts your credibility with me
    Again, I have addressed this in a proposal that all people should have to pay a minimum progressive income tax, and instead of paying cash people can instead donate time for services to the public good. That way, if the poor aren't able to spend money into the system, they can instead spend time into it.

    That's much better than a too regressive flat tax.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Again, I have addressed this in a proposal that all people should have to pay a minimum progressive income tax, and instead of paying cash people can instead donate time for services to the public good. That way, if the poor aren't able to spend money into the system, they can instead spend time into it.

    That's much better than a too regressive flat tax.
    What gives you the right to go after other's property by using the government?

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    What gives you the right to go after other's property by using the government?
    The Constitution.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Again, I have addressed this in a proposal that all people should have to pay a minimum progressive income tax, and instead of paying cash people can instead donate time for services to the public good. That way, if the poor aren't able to spend money into the system, they can instead spend time into it.

    That's much better than a too regressive flat tax.
    its better than the current system but tell me what is wrong with a regressive tax per se? The price of food, cars, tv's movie tickets, condoms, ping pong balls-in fact everything but government services is regressive.



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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    The Constitution.
    wrong

    but tell me what is the moral authority you point to that justifies me having to support your existence. frankly your existence doesn't benefit me so why should I have to (morally-don't quote dem created redistributionist laws designed to buy your vote) pay for your share of government services.



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