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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Ummm not all communes are communist.

    Anyway, I don't care. If you want to live in your fantasy world, be my guest. As long as you realize it ain't going to happen and you are waisting yours and everyone else's time with this "anarchy" vision of utopia.

    And libertarians still wonder why they are a joke to the rest of the nation.
    Nobody has ever claimed it would be a utopia, that is what statists claim they can achieve. What it would be, however, is a society in which the liberty of the individual is maximized to the fullest extent.
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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Thats not the same. You can dislike the tax policy, or any policy. And I have a right to vote for people who I believe will change the policy for the better. But the question is whether or not taxation is slavery or not. And it isn't, because you do have the right to leave. Slaves don't.
    What right do you have to steal from me? What right do you have to vote away capital earned through my labour? You have no right whatsoever to violate my right of self ownership and use offensive coercive force to get me to comply with your demands. And again this presupposes that the state has legitimate claim to the territory in which I own land, it does not, original apporopriation of land can only be legitimately acquired through mixing ones labour with that land or by acquiring that land through the voluntary transfer of title from those who have mixed their labour with that land and so forth and so on. Furthermore; if you are asserting that the state has the right to infringe upon the individuals right of self ownership then you are tacitly admitting that the state is owner and the individual the property IE a slave.
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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Nobody has ever claimed it would be a utopia, that is what statists claim they can achieve. What is would be, however, is a society in which the liberty of the individual is maximized to the fullest extent.
    Like I said, good luck with that.
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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    What right do you have to steal from me? What right do you have to vote away capital earned through my labour? You have no right whatsoever to violate my right of self ownership and use offensive coercive force to get me to comply with your demands. And again this presupposes that the state has legitimate claim to the territory in which I own land, it does not, original apporopriation of land can only be legitimately acquired through mixing ones labour with that land or by acquiring that land through the voluntary transfer of title from those who have mixed their labour with that land and so forth and so on. Furthermore; if you are asserting that the state has the right to infringe upon the individuals right of self ownership then you are tacitly admitting that the state is owner and the individual the property IE a slave.
    If you are a citizen of this country, you have an obligation to pay taxes. It's like being a member of a club that requires membership dues. Taxes are our membership dues, if you want to be apart of this "club" you have to pay them, or face the repercussions. And you always have the right to leave the club. It is nothing like slavery.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    If you are a citizen of this country, you have an obligation to pay taxes. It's like being a member of a club that requires membership dues. Taxes are our membership dues, if you want to be apart of this "club" you have to pay them, or face the repercussions. And you always have the right to leave the club. It is nothing like slavery.
    what you are saying is if you live here and you don't agree with the majority they will use their superior force to take what you own.

    lets stop pretending-you like the mob rule while I want the constitution enforced as intended which means people like you cannot vote away my wealth.



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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    what you are saying is if you live here and you don't agree with the majority they will use their superior force to take what you own.

    lets stop pretending-you like the mob rule while I want the constitution enforced as intended which means people like you cannot vote away my wealth.
    The constitution allows taxes so I really don't know what you're getting at. Even the founders agreed on taxation with representation, and thats what we have. Read up on the Whiskey rebellion. Taxes have been apart of this country ever since its inception, and they won't go away. It's something you have to deal with, otherwise your free to leave.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    The constitution allows taxes so I really don't know what you're getting at. Even the founders agreed on taxation with representation, and thats what we have. Read up on the Whiskey rebellion. Taxes have been apart of this country ever since its inception, and they won't go away. It's something you have to deal with, otherwise your free to leave.
    the founders opposed income redistribution and taxation on income.

    the taxes they supported were ones that didn't allow people like you to vote up taxes on people like me



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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the founders opposed income redistribution and taxation on income.

    the taxes they supported were ones that didn't allow people like you to vote up taxes on people like me
    Then you have the right to vote for people who want to get rid of the income tax. But to equate taxation with slavery is just idiotic, ignorant rhetoric.

    Imo, if you want to tax the rich the same as the poor all your doing is limiting the chances for the poor to rise up, and earn money themselves. Thus limiting the "American Dream".

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Then you have the right to vote for people who want to get rid of the income tax. But to equate taxation with slavery is just idiotic, ignorant rhetoric.

    Imo, if you want to tax the rich the same as the poor all your doing is limiting the chances for the poor to rise up, and earn money themselves. Thus limiting the "American Dream".
    lets look at which party has an interest in keeping people poor and dependent on government handouts rather than "rising up" and becoming free of the addiction of welfare/

    after you do that, you might decide which party's preferred tax system really holds the poor down

    it was once said that Religion is the opiate of the masses-the fear of God and hellfire kept the rabble from rebelling against the government. well socialism and handouts is the new religion



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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Then you have the right to vote for people who want to get rid of the income tax. But to equate taxation with slavery is just idiotic, ignorant rhetoric.

    Imo, if you want to tax the rich the same as the poor all your doing is limiting the chances for the poor to rise up, and earn money themselves. Thus limiting the "American Dream".
    btw remind me why you shouldn't pay the same tax rate as me.



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