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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Only if they broke the law doing so
    If they didn't pay their taxes they broke the law so to suggest paying taxes is voluntary is assinine.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    No, taxation isn't slavery. If you don't like the tax laws here your always free to leave.
    Again, this is a Petitio Principii begging the question logical fallacy because this line of argument must pre-suppose its own conclusion that the state is legitimate:

    "I think that the person who makes this argument is already assuming that the government has some legitimate jurisdiction over this territory. And then they say, well, now, anyone who is in the territory is therefore agreeing to the prevailing rules. But they’re assuming the very thing they're trying to prove – namely that this jurisdiction over the territory is legitimate. If it's not, then the government is just one more group of people living in this broad general geographical territory. But I've got my property, and exactly what their arrangements are I don't know, but here I am in my property and they don't own it – at least they haven't given me any argument that they do – and so, the fact that I am living in "this country" means I am living in a certain geographical region that they have certain pretensions over – but the question is whether those pretensions are legitimate. You can’t assume it as a means to proving it." -- Roderick Long Libertarian Anarchism: Responses to Ten Objection

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    that's one of the best arguments in the entire thread.
    It's also a begging the question logical fallacy.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    But hey! At least you won't have to pay taxes, amirite? So I expect you to leave for that country of equality and freedom posthaste.
    You're telling me to leave one state for an even worse state.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    It's also a begging the question logical fallacy.
    I did not see any question mark.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Call me "staist" all you like. It makes your political view no less unattainable and crazy.

    It does not work, has never worked,
    Actually it will work and you have provided absolutely 0 reason why it wouldn't and fyi it has worked in this country in the past:

    After Penn returned to England in 1684, the Council virtually succeeded him in governing the colony. The Council assumed full executive powers, and, since it was elected rather than appointed, this left Pennsylvania as a virtually self-governing colony. Though Thomas Lloyd, a Welsh Quaker, had by Penn been appointed as president of the Council, the president had virtually no power and could make no decisions on his own. Because the Council met very infrequently, and because no officials had any power to act in the interim, during these intervals Pennsylvania had almost no government at all—and seemed not to suffer from the experience. During the period from late 1684 to late 1688, there were no meetings of the Council from the end of October 1684 to the end of March 1685; none from November 1686 to March 1687; and virtually none from May 1687 to late 1688. The councillors, for one thing, had little to do. And being private citizens rather than bureaucrats, and being unpaid as councillors, they had their own struggling businesses to attend to. There was no inclination under these conditions to dabble in political affairs. The laws had called for a small payment to the councillors, but, typically, it was found to be almost impossible to extract these funds from the populace.

    If for most of 1684–88 there was no colonywide government in existence, what of the local officials? Were they not around to provide that evidence of the state's continued existence, which so many people through the ages have deemed vital to man's very survival? The answer is no. The lower courts met only a few days a year, and the county officials were, again, private citizens who devoted very little time to upholding the law. No, the reality must be faced that the new, but rather large, colony of Pennsylvania lived for the greater part of four years in a de facto condition of individual anarchism, and seemed none the worse for the experience. Furthermore, the Assembly passed no laws after 1686, as it was involved in a continual wrangle over attempts to increase its powers and to amend, rather than just reject, legislation.

    Pennsylvania's Anarchist Experiment: 1681-1690 by Murray N. Rothbard

    and will never come to pass. Unless you count that hell hole Somalia. The anarchist dream land.
    Civil War does not equate to anarchy. Somalia was a direct result of the tyranny of the state not the virtues of anarchy.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    I did not see any question mark.
    lol begging the question fallacies are simply fallacies which pre-suppose their own conclusion in the premise. By telling me to simply leave the country she is pre-supposing that the state has legitimate jurisdiction over the territory which she is telling me to leave which it does not.

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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Actually it will work and you have provided absolutely 0 reason why it wouldn't and fyi it has worked in this country in the past:
    Ummm... as I mentioned before we don't live in the 1800's and this would include any date preceding that. Now lets add in a small group of Quakers no less.

    Yea that is what the US is made up off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Civil War does not equate to anarchy. Somalia was a direct result of the tyranny of the state not the virtues of anarchy.
    No one said it did. It was a hell hole then, and now under anarchy it is still a hell hole.

    I does not work on any kind of large scale. You seem to ignore this.

    I have an idea. Start a anarchist commune. Tell us how that works out for ya.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    lol begging the question fallacies are simply fallacies which pre-suppose their own conclusion in the premise. By telling me to simply leave the country she is pre-supposing that the state has legitimate jurisdiction over the territory which she is telling me to leave which it does not.
    Ummm... No. She is saying if you don't like the situation here and are in no position to change it (and in my opinion) never will be. Get out.

    Has nothing to do with the government having the power to do anything to you.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Is Taxation Slavery?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    You still don't get it, you have no argument on this issue...
    Yes. Thats why you have yet to directly address anything I have said.

    Texas v. White, 74 U.S. 700 (1869) [color=red]In accepting jurisdiction, the court ruled that Texas had remained a state ever since it first joined the Union, despite its joining the Confederate States....
    Yes. Now, in your own words, apply that to my argument and show how it negates it.

    This is the definition of sedition:
    You posted this three times. I have already explained why it is meaningless. Posting it again doesnt make it more meaningful, it only illustrates your lack of grasp.

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